@mrsaturday @Humpleupagus @moira @p @verita84 maybe not totally all at once but there's a stoic revivalism happening right now. enclaves will form of these people who are tired of modernity. they will focus on self improvement and personal relationships. these networks will become powerful through practice. their families will be large and healthy. others will join them or be shoved out of the way to make room for the continuation of their own tribe. in this way, the old, stagnant order dies and gives way for a better one. 200-500 years.