@zeke @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @Yukari_Kajiwara @Marakus You are not speaking "truth which is hard to determine". You are spreading obvious lies. You give as a proof that "Germans attacked because Poles were murdering Germans", an article which 1. talks only in generalities, and the only specific thing pointed is so called "Bloody Sunday", which happened AFTER German invasion, so obviously can not be cause of this invasion - this is not "hard to determine", this is basic logic. 2. pretends that Poles were killing German civilians with NKVD Jews, when in fact in 1939 Germans and Soviets were close allies and they attacked Poland in cooperation. "Lots of propaganda on both sides" There is unquestionable fact that Germans invaded Poland and there is baseless propaganda pretending that this invasion was caused by persecution of German civilians. Which You himself proved - if only "proof" of this persecution is obviously lying article, it means that thesis is bullshit. "I definitely don't think that the Germans were the "bad guys" though" So You are definitely wrong. They were extremely bad guys, together with Soviets.