@jeffcliff @weeble i mean instead of c++ courses like i went through, explain basic concepts, then programming paradigms, then shit like type theory and interfacing with target hardware. since @sun unintentionally mentioned a perfect example of this: lot of people treat javascript like its own magical realm and then they still end up seeing the rest of their computer and environment as a black box. then we descend into hell with these fucks. javascript itself isn't the worst language to start off with either, because it does introduce some interesting ideas other PLs don't focus on, but also it's trash for teaching shit like OOP and typing and whatever else is done better in other langs. similarly, lisp sucks at some of that too.