@Sui @BowsacNoodle @AnungIkwe @Kuenga

>Timing of rollout doesn't matter if the vaccine doesn't work (which it doesn't).

Sure it does. That's why ring vaccination works.

> That's a hypothetical number being marketed by people with various vested interests in the vaccines having positive results,

No, that's from what the vaccine actually does, as measured by large-scale studies.

> it could just of easily have caused more deaths than it prevented.

No, it didn't.

> All the vaccines, surgical masks and 6' social distancing in the world wouldn't even get the r(0) down to 1

We should be using N95 masks, shutting down schools and football games if we want to be serious.

> Pretty much everything that was told to us was totally ineffective at best, harmful at worst.

Dead wrong. Surgical masks help. Social distancing helps. Vaccines help. All reduce R_0. Though, as you point out, there's been a consistent source of people willing to spread it, antivaxxers, antimaskers, and covidiots who "refuse to comply" to social distancing measures.

> It has caused a bunch of retards to spout shit like "masks don't work" and various other crap that is going to dramatically increase fatalities/damage on the next bioweapon release.

Covid is not a lableak, either.

> The only thing we could've done to stop covid

We ARE going to stop covid and this is not up for debate.

> was thoroughly nuke china right at the start,

You forget china has nukes and can and will retaliate to such a thing.

> We've lost the war against viruses

Not as long as I'm still breathing.

> unless we can somehow reform the entire medical industry to care about something other than profit..

I live in canada, that part is irrelevant here.