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@lookitmychicken Yeah I've researched them a little bit before, and I think the composting ones are harder to get here, but that's not so much of a drama for me, as we already have a compost situation. I'm more interested in something I can build into an enticing climbing garden for the cat. He's getting a bit older and has kidney disease, and one of the key things I'm trying to do is keep him really active and strong as so many kidney cats get frail and skinny.