@Goalkeeper
It's both, sadly.
Tell Bowsac, one of the nicest guys one here and guy with a family, to "kill himself" last night, even if was "ironic and a joke tee hee" was the final nail in the coffin for me.

The worst thing is that Givenup claims to be a Christian, but that's doubtful and his behavior doesn't not look good to the world or believers. I pray Christ shakes him out of whatever he is doing or that he actually and properly turns to Christ.