@lanodan @icedquinn @meeper @maija @takao every big conflict in tech that is framed as toxicity has an additional thing in common that is the real cause, unacknowledged: they were presented as an objectivly better alternative and forced into distributions way before they were functional, and people that complained were told to shut up. this is comical because up to this point a bunch of the same people were saying that floss should consider users as equal stakeholders to technical stewards, then users said hey this is unacceptable regression and they were told you are not a programmer you don't know what's best.