@sinbad I never even thought I could do games for a living (I still don't hoho) so just didn't even consider the game company path. I never got further than BASIC when I was young and games I sent off to mags and companies never amounted to anything, then my career advisor at school said 'you can't make games as a job' so that was the end of that, really. Took me a long time to come back around to my fate! What you did (off your own back!).. OGRE.. blows me away whenever I think about it!