@d0c40r0 @kf01 I thought so. People mald over it when it really doesn't matter. If it exists, you should work on your soul and relationship with Christ (sanctification/theosis) so that you don't experience it. If it doesn't exiet, you shouldn't care that some people need the sword of Damocles to motivate them to do what God wants (a repentant and humble heart, grateful for redemption in Christ). Arguing about heterodoxy probably pushes more people away from faith because we do it wrong. I do it wrong all the time. I am a goofy goober redeemed by Christ.