@truthbait @NEETzsche I think marx would argue here that people create moral systems all the time, and the philosophers who create them are pretty universally hypocrites/"too immoral" (i think nietzsche would agree this far), that some are better than others and what truth means/how to judge these moral systems is what they do in the real world(nietzsche if i'm understanding correctly would leave it subjectively up to you to judge them, and then reason about different choices people make when making that call). And that marx would go further in looking at the moral system specifically created by the critical criticalist theorists as being a kind of microcosm of those made in larger circles(ie europe as a whole) defined by a combination of their material conditions and how far they have been willing to replace the mental shortcuts with actual rational reasoning.