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I guess "animated murder" was a weird choice of analogy because nobody uses such a term. But something like that is conceivable. Imagine that some weirdo makes a game, perhaps in VR, where the only objective is to break into someone's house and murder them. This would probably be referred to as a "virtual murder" game.

Responding to your points one by one, for the sake of structure. Don't really wanna start another argument, just explaining my logic.

1. I'm not using the term "drawn CP" to make it sound worse than what it is. I think "lolicon" makes it sound *less* bad than it is. It makes people forget what it really is, IMO. Also, some of my fedi followers may genuinely not know about lolicon. For example I've some followers (or followers of followers who may see a repost) from Spinster.xyz who are slightly older women, some of whom may not know much about anime terms.

2. Using the "virtual murder game" analogy: The word "virtual" makes it clear that it's not actual murder, so of course it wouldn't fall under murder laws. Should "drawn CP" fall under CP laws? That depends on the exact intent of the laws. Is it to protect victims from further victimization? To curb the "demand" and thus dissuade people from creating more? Or is it also to make sure that the idea of child abuse overall isn't normalized? The first two wouldn't apply to drawn/animated CP but the third would, so that's the central question.

3. (Gonna have to split this up into multiple paragraphs, coz this is gonna be long.)

I can tell you don't know much about lolicon. I wish that was me. I've seen a lot when I was into anime and 4chan, and looked into it in detail after starting to get into feminism-related debates.

Side-story: Seeing that 4chan's "loli threads" had real potential abusers, and that nobody on the site wanted to talk about this problem, was what made me quit 4chan in the end. When I started actually looking at these threads, after becoming skeptical of their supposed harmlessness, I quickly came upon a thread where a guy was commenting on his real-life 9 year-old sister in a sexual way. Me and a small number of others started a shitstorm, and all it did was get us banned. The moderators nuked everything and didn't tolerate any discussion of what happened because "off topic." Most people didn't seem to mind, and some even seemed to think it was funny that a real 9 year-old child was in danger and made jokes like saying "you know what to do!" to the guy or asking "so when are you uploading pics?" That was the last straw for me.

Anyway. Getting back to the age range in lolicon:

It's generally pre-pubescent girls. I'd say 6 to 12 or so. The characters are almost always flat-chested, or have very little chest development at most. Sometimes an older girl or even adult may be called a "loli" because she's drawn to look like a child, but those are exceptions. (Not counting the "she's actually 500" excuse by the way, which is very common; I'm talking about the apparent age of the body of the character.)

Some of the most prominent "loli" characters in mainstream anime include:

- Shinobu from the Monogatari series, who is a 500 year-old vampire in the body of an 8 or 10 year-old. (Exact age of her body depends on which part of the story it is, if I remember correctly.)

- Illya from the Fate franchise, who has the body of a 10 or 11 year-old or so if I remember correctly. And in the spin-off series Kaleid Liner, she goes to elementary school.

- The Strawberry Marshmallow (Ichigo Mashimaro) characters, who go to elementary school.

- More recently, the "dragon loli" Kanna who's apparently "equivalent to a primary school student at Oborozuka Elementary School, which she attends as a third grade student" (from Wikipedia).

As far as actual hentai (pornography) goes, perhaps the most (in)famous example is one known through the "pomf" meme, from a manga where a very young girl is severely abused.

I think sexualizing teenagers is so normalized in Japanese and anime culture that there's not even really a term for that. Though I guess some "normies" in Japan may also call a man "lolicon" if he's into teenagers, because "lolicon" is basically used like "pedo" in colloquial Japanese if I'm not mistaken.