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@bobdobberson @uexo @jason123santa I remember when XMPP was 'encrypted' via OTR. Back then we'd use Pidgin and chat E2E encrypted via both XMPP and IRC and whatever other protocol we liked :)

Obviously things like file transfers weren't secure. Neither was the Jingle (lol) VoIP stuff. None of that stuff worked great then, especially with groups on a LAN. Oops! P2P be damned!

XMPP started tackling real-issues like encrypted file transfers at the start of this decade (the 2020s!) but Matrix had everything we needed already which is why we switched... years before. No hard feelings. People want use things that work today. That's why Discord will never be replaced by any soul until they get native group calling/streaming into all the major clients. This includes XMPP.