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   eukara :steampowered: (eukara@idtech.space)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:27:52 JST eukara :steampowered:

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   • Jason123santa :pine64:
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   • uexo

   @bobdobberson @uexo @jason123santa I remember when XMPP was 'encrypted' via OTR. Back then we'd use Pidgin and chat E2E encrypted via both XMPP and IRC and whatever other protocol we liked :)

   Obviously things like file transfers weren't secure. Neither was the Jingle (lol) VoIP stuff. None of that stuff worked great then, especially with groups on a LAN. Oops! P2P be damned!

   XMPP started tackling real-issues like encrypted file transfers at the start of this decade (the 2020s!) but Matrix had everything we needed already which is why we switched... years before. No hard feelings. People want use things that work today. That's why Discord will never be replaced by any soul until they get native group calling/streaming into all the major clients. This includes XMPP.

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     Pope Bob (bobdobberson@dobbs.town)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:27:53 JST Pope Bob

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     • uexo

     @uexo XMPP, AFAIK, does not support streaming / voice chat.

     Matrix and XMPP use different protocols to communicate.

     You could complain that XMPP should have been an IRC client...

     @jason123santa

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     uexo (uexo@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:27:54 JST uexo

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     • Pope Bob

     @bobdobberson @jason123santa The Matrix project could have been an XMPP client. Now there is no way to send an end-to-end encrypted message or to call someone from a standard compliant XMPP client.

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     Pope Bob (bobdobberson@dobbs.town)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:27:56 JST Pope Bob

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     • uexo

     @uexo how is Matrix poison to interoperability, considering it has 6 projects for the server end and more than a dozen projects for the clients?

     What basic internet standard is Matrix aiming to re-invent?

     @jason123santa

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     uexo (uexo@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:27:57 JST uexo

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     • Pope Bob

     @bobdobberson @jason123santa My personal issue with Matrix is that I don't think it's a good idea to use products of venture capital startups that essentially re-invent a basic internet standard. Projects like Matrix are poison for interoperability.

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     Pope Bob (bobdobberson@dobbs.town)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:27:58 JST Pope Bob

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     • Jason123santa :pine64:

     @jason123santa what issues are there with Matrix?

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     Jason123santa :pine64: (jason123santa@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:27:59 JST Jason123santa :pine64:

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     • Pope Bob

     @bobdobberson I don't agree with that totally and think that there are issues with Matrix and less issues with xmpp and tox

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     Pope Bob (bobdobberson@dobbs.town)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:28:00 JST Pope Bob

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     • Jason123santa :pine64:

     @jason123santa no. It's some cryptography researcher that seems to have issues with anything that isn't Signal.

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     Jason123santa :pine64: (jason123santa@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:28:01 JST Jason123santa :pine64:

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     • Pope Bob

     @bobdobberson is that your quote?

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     Pope Bob (bobdobberson@dobbs.town)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:28:02 JST Pope Bob

     This quote makes me really wonder about someone's motivations:

     "If anyone feels like I’m picking on #Matrix, don’t worry: I have far worse things to say about #Telegram, #Threema, #XMPP + #OMEMO, #Tox, and a myriad other projects that are hungry for #Signal’s market share but don’t measure up from a cryptographic security perspective.

     If Signal fucked up as bad as these projects, my criticism of Signal would be equally harsh. (And remember, I have looked at Signal before.)"