@kwheaton @HistoPol @hu_logic so, by your reasoning, we've already lost. Your defeatist take is terrible. Your framing is straight from the mouths of the fascist right.
I'm with Laffy on this; if you're going to engage in defeatist circlejerking about Biden, go ahead and drop me from the thread, as my next likely move is muting all of you for being defeatist.