Nobody disputes the fact that the Romans had carried out the demands of the jews. What we're curious about, is why you are insistent on absolving the jews of any responsibility or agency in this, when scripture does suggest there is at least some measure of culpability there. And this isn't some one-off thing; nearly any time I see your posts in a thread it's defending jews. Which stands out like a sore thumb. Why would an ostensible philosemite join up on and stay on a rather anti-semitic leaning webzone? For what purpose? To what ends? It's truly bizarre.