@michaelgemar @LillyHerself @petealexharris @jeffowski Paternalistic here is used in the sense that we are looking at the person in question from a position of authority. Like a parent does. But parents often over step their boundaries and we are not this person's parent. These are all well and very true. But it does not preclude the possibility that when someone rejects vaccination, and when we scientifically know the vaccine in question and its side effects, we are in actuality at a position of authority in relation to this person. Explaining and educating people would make the field equal. But when it's not possible, making a decision either way is equally paternalistic, because you are responsible for what you know about this person's health, no matter what they do or do not, or dont want to know. This is a clear cut justified use of knowledge. Frontal lobotomy is not. It's clearly on the other side of that line, if it needs to be mentioned. Or much anything parents do with regards to their teenage kids (cause they don't have the authority of science to speak on how to live in general, no one does.)