livinghell@michaelgemar @LillyHerself @petealexharris @jeffowski Autonomy is not a mathematical concept. That is to say, it does not necessarily exclude its opposite. Vaccines for example, getting forced vaccines make you immune so more able to make your own decisions with your body in the long term. Letting someone cage themselves inside a mural would also be technically autonomy. it depends on how you conceptualize the absolute, rather than a logically demanded gradualist framework.
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