@moffintosh @olmitch socialism also means a lot of things :neocat_floof_mug:

the most common expression of "socialism" is actually "authoritarian nanny state," while Hayek saw socialism as a vehicle for fascism and Marx saw it as a vehicle for communism. it's "supposed" to mean industrial machinery belongs to the commons, however they think that would work in practice.

i suspect tech shops/hackerspaces are the closest we've seen to "real socialism" though.