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   Moffin'tosh (moffintosh@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Jan-2024 06:13:54 JST Moffin'tosh

   • iced depresso
   • Mitch Conner

   @olmitch @icedquinn No? It's collective ownership. Not much different from a stakeholder owning controlling stocks

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Jan-2024 06:13:54 JST iced depresso

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     • Mitch Conner
     @moffintosh @olmitch socialism also means a lot of things :neocat_floof_mug:
     
     the most common expression of "socialism" is actually "authoritarian nanny state," while Hayek saw socialism as a vehicle for fascism and Marx saw it as a vehicle for communism. it's "supposed" to mean industrial machinery belongs to the commons, however they think that would work in practice.
     
     i suspect tech shops/hackerspaces are the closest we've seen to "real socialism" though.
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     Moffin'tosh (moffintosh@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Jan-2024 06:16:12 JST Moffin'tosh

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     • Mitch Conner

     @icedquinn @olmitch Socialism means a lot of things, except to the people who called themself such, who willingly picked the label.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Jan-2024 06:16:12 JST iced depresso

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     • Mitch Conner
     @moffintosh @olmitch i still people refer to europe as socialist which is hilarious because i have never seen any commonwealth owned manufacturing come from there
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Jan-2024 06:16:32 JST iced depresso

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     • Mitch Conner
     @moffintosh @olmitch well sweden has state owned booze production i guess
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Jan-2024 06:20:57 JST iced depresso

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     • Mitch Conner
     @moffintosh @olmitch @Moon i think the permaculturists and tech shops are probably the closest to a reasonably functioning [classical] socialism.
     
     there's still a lot of issues to sort out but eh
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     Moffin'tosh (moffintosh@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Jan-2024 06:20:58 JST Moffin'tosh

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     • Mitch Conner

     @icedquinn @olmitch Imo, the DDR and USSR allowed small buisnesses to operate too, but in neither case was one the dominant form of production.

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     Moffin'tosh (moffintosh@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Jan-2024 06:23:18 JST Moffin'tosh

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     • Sexy Moon
     • iced depresso
     • Mitch Conner

     @icedquinn @Moon @olmitch Coops in general try to apply in smaller scale the socialist mode of production in the sea of capitalism, but as a rule of thumb they're at disadvantage compared to the bourgeois buisnesses, even just to obtain funding

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