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@jik @flowerpot @holyramenempire @passenger the problem is that everything in this discussion is vague

a) who is "we"? (which fraction of the 8bln alive)

b) what does "we are fucked" really mean, given the world spends 2 trn per year on mutual anihillation technologies. Is it incremental to that? (as in fucked++)

c) <x> is a vast, poorly understood (subjective) list of factors with dependencies, emergence, tipping points

d) what does "too late" mean. by a year, decade, century, millenium?