phiofx
@jik @flowerpot @holyramenempire @passenger the problem is that everything in this discussion is vague
a) who is "we"? (which fraction of the 8bln alive)
b) what does "we are fucked" really mean, given the world spends 2 trn per year on mutual anihillation technologies. Is it incremental to that? (as in fucked++)
c) <x> is a vast, poorly understood (subjective) list of factors with dependencies, emergence, tipping points
d) what does "too late" mean. by a year, decade, century, millenium?
MooMoo the Cat
@holyramenempire @jik Pessimism without solutions demoralizes and demotivates me.
Knowing things are bad but that there are things we can do to fix things, OR that we don't know, but other people care to try motivates me to brainstorm and do what I can.
But, I'll be the first to admit I'm not normal.
Jonathan Kamens
@flowerpot @holyramenempire @passenger There are three types of doomerism:
1) "We're all fucked and there's nothing anybody can do about it."
2) "We're all fucked unless we do <x>, but let's be real, it's not going to happen."
3) "We're all fucked unless we do <x>, so let's get off our asses and do <x> before it's too late."
I'm not advocating for (1). I'm personally guilty of (2) sometimes but I don't recommend it as the right approach for influencing people. What I'm advocating here is (3).
Joseph Riparian 🏳️⚧️
@jik We've only been trying doomerism and lies, so I don't think we have the data to determine if positivism would work better. (I believe it would. People spend a lot of time protecting things they love, and not much time on things they're frightened of. I have spent 37 years trying to protect wildlife simply because I love the animals.)
Jonathan Kamens
A thought about #doomerism vs #positivism...
In society's #collapse, billions of people will die, and billions of people will survive.
The only chance we have of minimizing the death and suffering is to convince people they're likely to be among the dead. People won't take the drastic measures that are needed unless they're scared for themselves or their loved ones.
Doomerism tries to convince people they're at risk. Positivism tells them not to worry.
Which is better harm reduction praxis?
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