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@breizh @ConnertheCat @reiterator This is a fair point, but I think that's the entire point of the debate.

Another interesting factor, though, is that as someone who is used to automatics, I find the lack of creep mode to be unsettling at low speeds. I have a lot more control maneuvering the car if I have to put positive pressure on the brake to keep it stopped and I can make it move very very slowly by lifting off. Plus I can stop it instantly since it's the same foot letting it move.