@Xenophon @hazlin @matty God's foreknowledge is not the same as predestination in the doctrinal sense, or if it is, it's not the same thing I'm referring to. I'm speaking against the idea of condemning a people as irredeemable garbage because of birthright, because I believe that's contradictory to Christ's gift of salvation. That doesn't mean everybody goes to heaven nor any of the baggage associated with universality and hippy newage beliefs endorsing sodomy or anything like that either.