@eris @nyx Might go without saying that I know a good number of women and butch lesbians in particular and who embody attributes that fit this description in precisely the way one might find men attractive, but without all the soul flaying hell torment bastard shit. Speaking for myself I’ve fucked a lot of guys, and dated a few, and found myself attracted to some features that happen to belong to particular men. It feels intuitive to me that this all coalesces and resolves neatly into me being a full bore all the way raging lesbian. Anything attractive about men is way more appealing in women IMO.