@amerika @jeremiah @p @pwm @wjmaggos the discourse is messed up because civility isn't safe space. safe space is where you go to undo damage, if you say "I have a problem" the response isn't "here's how to solve that problem" or "you're looking at it wrong" it's "I support you, let's get through it together." it is a basic human need and there needs to be places for it. but it does not (by design) facilitate constructive criticism, which is also necessary.