@wjmaggos @jeremiah @PakkonenCT @Moon @amerika I wasn't complaining because I don't give a shit, because the people doing it are goddamn stupid, but this is another terrible line of reasoning:

> the tools to defederate exist too. that's what you're complaining about.

"You can't complain about getting nuked by people that figured a war with conventional weapons would take too much time."

> you call them censors cause they don't want to hang out with you.

No, instance-blocking an account that causes trouble is one thing, but blocking an instance prevents two people that were completely uninvolved from conversing with each other. I cannot talk to people that I would like to talk to because someone I've never talked to decided to instance-block FSE on the grounds that someone on FSE annoyed someone else.

Or a lot of them work by copying a blocklist. wagesofsinisdeath.com is an instance that existed for less than a month, nearly four years ago. It had been down and the domain expired for *years* before the majority of these instances existed, so zero users from that site have caused any trouble for anyone, but they copy the blocklist: https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=wagesofsinisdeath.com .

Not just that, but there are instances that block instances that decline to copy a blocklist: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reason=federates . There are instances that are blocked because the admin said a bad word about blocklists: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reason=blocklists .

> but that's freedom too.

Tolerance and approval are very different things and equating them is sloppy thinking at best and disingenuous at worst.

It's totally legal to endorse Hitler, but you shouldn't. If you say to someone that they shouldn't or you ask them why they do, and their response is that they're free to do so, this is not a reasonable response: they haven't answered the question.

They're free to import blocklists and I'm free to point out that it's goddamn retarded. It's a non sequitur to equate saying that it's stupid with compelling them by force. (These are people that would compel FSE's closure by force if they could, so I'm not particularly disposed to give them a vote in how FSE works to begin with.) But the question of "Should they be prevented from doing this?" is a completely different question from "Is it stupid for them to do this?" It is stupid for them to do that. People should not endorse Hitler, this is stupid, but preventing them from voicing that opinion is not the same thing.