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@gwynnion I'm an odd mix of both narratives tbh, so I defend both of them as valid. I transitioned later (19), but absolutely did feel like I was very specifically "born in the wrong body" since the moment puberty started to hit and I really diverged from girls in physiology — got hairy, tall, muscular, elongated, and square. I explicitly and deeply identified with characters who had undergone horrific transformations or literally been born in the wrong body or were minds in incongruent bodies or whatever. I explicitly saw my body and a lot of my identity as something very separate and unreal that I was trapped inside and had to make the best of. I also knew since 12 that I would be happier as a girl. I just didn't understand what the source of those feelings was, or what they meant, or, most importantly, that you even could do anything about them.