@mint @eria treebird does have a release out there. it sucks, but its quite capable and usable, maybe on-par with bloat.

None of it excuses that Pete did revolver for money. When money is on the line, that shit's different. im doing all this for free, i couldnt give a rats ass now if it comes out late, but i still try to care.

but yeah im working on 8 different projects at once and i have a job now so its hard to focus on it. Im not lazy though, ive working on all this shit from morning to dawn for the past week.

did i tell you about Exclaim?
https://git.enlightenment.org/nekobit/exclaim .... its probably gonna be the first treebird because im sorry, but i just fuckin hate webdev this was fresh air for me