@BowsacNoodle @Nesano @Ottovonshitpost @Victor_Emmanuel at some point you leave the territory of liberal and enter that of authoritarian. or in the case of the present day far-left, more like religious authoritarians

put another way, just because someone claims to be something doesn't mean others would recognize them as such

> "1 innocent can suffer as long as 10 criminals pay"

I suppose this is probably a case of correlation versus causation. liberalism doesn't seem to inherently require minimizing collateral damage. more just that the people it attracts will tend to also think that way due to their underlying world view