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@dpflug yeah i have a friend who works for a progressive feminist organisation and she has to carefully manage female politicians and celebrities who dont have a good grip on issues like trans rights and its basically her job to stop them from using social media or random press interviews as a place to just throw out vague thoughts on the topic, and instead to be like hey why dont i arrange a sit down with you and this trans elder who youd get on really well with and then after we can talk about further considerations and how to best go forwards. Like always hey maybe lets do this not online or in the media. She is basically the human flow chart for this stuff, always hey have you ever had a cheerful but meaningful conversation and properly related to someone who is part of the minority you're thinking of? No? Ok lets see if we can make that happen.