@dushman >for an XMPP client that actually works well

I'm willing to challenge you to find me an XMPP client that actually works well. For it to qualify as "works well" it needs to require no more than twice as many clicks and no more than twice as many fields to fill in as it does to get started on Discord. We're going to go from fresh install of Windows 10 with no programs installed having no account to viewing cat video responding with minions meme.

If it doesn't just work as-described I'm going to get on a call with you and have you tell me exactly what to click on. You're going to have to think of this in terms of resource management, where if you try something but it doesn't fix the problem, you still used up clicks to try to troubleshoot it. It's going to be like a game of chess: "if I have to open up this menu, it'll take five clicks... Hmmm..."

Yes, all of those settings you have to change count toward this total. Yes, all of those other programs you need to install to get it to work count toward this total. I'm willing to give it twice as many clicks etc as Discord and I'm still damn sure XMPP won't make it.

This should be a lesson in how the normie thinks, and to be clear, to somebody who thinks a good time is having a barbecue or going fishing, this isn't an even close to wrong way to view the matter.

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