@jeffcliff @DW2 @verita84 In good faith I ask you this: what would happen, logically, if they just packed up and left? Would people let anything go, or would there be rearming and escalation and a full on continental war within a decade? They have to commit and reach a peace deal which hopefully involves Russia helping to rebuild this area. Zelenski won't let this happen. He's said as much from day one and has continually shown his unwillingness to approach Russia in good faith.