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@Erato_Heti @nyx I didn't get that sense from the commentariat I was observing. Again, there was no woman-hating I observed. Just a rejection of unrealistic standards for the so-called "manlet", about seeking happiness without reference to women period, not merely consuming women. There was no observed criticism of women, just criticism of banging one's head against the wall at the gym trying to become a gigachad when that wasn't in the genetic cards. There was also discussion of even more mild-mannered hobbitpills.

The overall vibe I got was a general dropout from the whole dating AND casual encounter game, toward something that doesn't even think about women and how to gain them. Is it revolutionary? No, but it wasn't exactly MGTOW either. There was a general disenchantment with the manosphere in it. Honestly, I think a more realistic goal is rendering men less dangerous.

What I was observing was a lack of interest in even striatic encounters.