@Humpleupagus @lamp @Sui @CatLord @Deplorable_Degenerate @malakai

> The constitution just becomes part of a rhetorical game to support that end.

yeah in practice I'd agree with that. but I don't like it one bit. it's what the current situation has devolved to in many cases but that's not something to brag about

> we put Japanese in camps without the right of habeas corpus. If that's constitutional

:blobconfused: I thought their imprisonment was ultimately ruled to have been unconstitutional?