@Leaflord @Leaflord But how can we definitely determine what's real and not? Anything can be real have you given this a thought? Even stuff that makes people break down in contemptuous laughter can't be scientifically disproven. Sure some certainties can be measured but how can you be sure the scientists and people laughing exist? Are you sure you are real? I know I exist but can't be sure in what state of reality.