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@Flick @Chronic-Yonic I think, for example, when we say that the fact that Lia Thomas won competitions is the reason he shouldn’t have been on the women’s swim team, it does suggest that. I don’t mean it’s not a valid part of the argument. Strength and other physical differences are the main reasons we have the two categories. However, I think we should be arguing against the inclusion of men in women’s sports more based on the category name. Performance differences may be the reason for the categories, but once they come to be called “women’s” and “men’s,” truth in labeling becomes the main issue. I also think we need to articulate why we don’t want a “women and crappy men” category more clearly, if such a category is being suggested. It’s not just that the crappy men might win.