@ryo @shebang @xianc78 Well, as I mentioned, the end result is the same. I think the main difference between capitalism and communism is that communism is more direct, and in a way more honest. It's just revolution and then total centrality and tyranny. Capitalism does it in a slower and more subtle way. Brainwashing the population, giving them nice distractions to weaken the population, and then slowly taking them away. Gives them a false sense that they have a choice, when really, they just vote the way that the TV and the school system told them to, through a life of exposure to mind control. Capitalism boils the frogs very slowly and even gives them a lot of flies to fatten them up.

Capitalism doesn't openly kill massive numbers of people because of what they think, for the most part (for now, and even now, people do go to prison for having unauthorized thoughts), but it does kill for power, which is also what communism ultimately does. Why do communist governments kill people? Because they consider those people a threat to their power, or an obstacle in the way of getting even more power. It's ultimately the same thing as capitalism. Greedy psychopaths that always want more for themselves and that see people as disposable tools. The monopolistic corporation that is the communist state wants to profit as much as possible and get rid of any competition or opposition. Sounds familiar?

Also worth mentioning that capitalism has killed a massive number of people. Just add up all the for-profit wars in history (pretty much all of them, actually), and that should be a very big number already. Then there are all the people getting sick and dying from all the poisons that they put in the food and water supply and spray everywhere, and all the people that die from Rockefeller medicine and shots. Also all the people suffering the consequences of that because they were not informed, because the corporations have censored that information. We can also consider all the real medicine being suppressed or even forbidden. and all the suffering, misery and disease caused by that.

Then, after all that, we can consider all the misery caused by people essentially being corporate slaves (and actual slavery too, that's capitalism), and by the damage that this materialistic culture has caused to society and to people in general. All the families that were destroyed by that, and all the suicides. How about for-profit laws and prison systems? How about all the trannies ruining their own lives because this system broke their minds? Women having their minds destroyed by birth control? The mental damage and huge waste of time caused by the school system? Human trafficking? Organ harvesting? Adrenochrome harvesting? The drug trade (artificially made more profitable by government, and mostly done by intelligence agencies)? The list of atrocities is massive. Most of them are considered normal, in the same way that some purges would have been seen as normal by communists.

They are both horrific systems. Or one horrific system, because you know, they are the same. Hell, were they even in conflict with each other? Not really. Mao was the one that killed the most and he was put there by the CIA, and communism itself was funded by capitalism in the first place. So, it's a total farce. It's a big planet-shaped chess board, and there are always two sides on it, but both sides are being controlled by the same player. It's all bullshit, and it's bad for ya. I hate them both, and to me saying "BUT IT'S NOT TRUE CAPITALISM" is no different than a communist saying that real communism hasn't been tried yet.

Fuck ideologies, I guess is still my main point here. It should be simple, but people are raised to really be in love with these systems. Fuck the systems, they don't matter, people do. When I say that, I don't even mean "fuck everyone that believes in these systems", it's actually quite the opposite. I think a lot of communists and capitalists both have good intentions, but those intentions will never lead to anything good because those systems will always be disastrous. And by rejecting all of them, I don't see people that have any ideology as inherently being enemies, I think most of them agree that we want people to have better lives and that the government sucks and that the corporations suck and that this system is awful. I think most of them actually agree on the things that matter, it's just the ideological garbage that gets in the way and keeps that conflict going, forever.