@ArneBab @jaredwhite Just today, as a fine example, more research was released. https://riverside.fm/reports/2023-annual-report claims "38% of consumers prefer YouTube as podcast player".
Now, I don't believe YouTube contains a single "podcast" personally, but if 38% of consumers prefer it as a podcast player, then the ship has sailed, and we should all go and spend our lives doing something more constructive than arguing about a definition.
(Perhaps: arguing the benefits of removing walled gardens!)