@mstein609 @Danielsand @kathryntewson I once lost a speeding ticket case solely because the person in front of me tried to make the same argument I was going to make but botched it up so royally that the judge didn't even let me finish because the last guy had no clue what he was talking about, & so it was clearly a bad argument. Judge even said, "were you here 10 minutes ago?" and I said yes, but that guy got the argument wrong, and I'm making the correct one, and he didn't want to hear it.