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@azalea @djsumdog lizzie’s biased summary is that the process of creation isnt so much that there was nothing and then there was, bc even if one is to accept that God is outside of time, youre still kinda putting God in some sort of meta-time. creation instead is more of a process of the ‘real’ (God) taking on an otherwise illusory existence through the incarnation and crucifixion. through being killed by it, God kinda makes sin real but its not something that exists as all that exists is redeemed through sin’s rejection in the crucifixion