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@SearingTruth @WarnerCrocker
I've got a thread going at the moment on Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" and I'm curious if either of you have read it?

It seems to me that any notion of the Founders as seekers of justice and democracy plays into a very long series of lies. A story that is only half truth.

The details of their plans indicates that they never intended freedom or democracy but control of the poor and working people that they thought of as dumb masses.