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   Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:37:20 JST Eugen Rochko

   • かき@GNUsocialJP

   I don't feel as strongly about quote posts as I did in 2018. Personally, I am not a fan, but there is clearly a lot of demand for it. We're considering it.

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     Rick de Haan (rickdus@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:39:30 JST Rick de Haan

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     @Gargron I would love it. I miss it when I want to point out a toot and when I feel the need to add something to it why I want to point that toot out.

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     COCONUT HEAD (cocohead@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:39:56 JST COCONUT HEAD

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     @Gargron Copy Paste works for me... a twitter clone is not where we should be headed...

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     Tina (trcfwtt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:40:24 JST Tina

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     @Gargron TY! It was a very useful feature to be able add to a conversation without feeling like we were spamming ppl's replies. But I can see why you chose not to have it here given the way ppl abuse it.

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:41:07 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     @Gargron If you do add it, you should make it so people can opt to have their posts “quote posted.” If the setting is on, people can do it. If not, then they can only boost.

     You can even have it apply per post settings as well. Just a few suggestions.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:42:09 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP

     If we did do it we'd like to make it something you can opt out of, in a similar way to how we plan to allow disabling replies. It's not entirely trivial.

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     Le ronchon masqué ? 仮面 Grumpy (obo@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:42:48 JST Le ronchon masqué ? 仮面 Grumpy

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     @Gargron THANK YOU.

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     Shadow The Hedgehog (a_lizard@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:43:40 JST Shadow The Hedgehog

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     @Gargron can you also add the inverse, that every boost has to be a quote

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     myownpetard (myownpetard@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:43:46 JST myownpetard

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     @Gargron exactly what i was thinking! opt out makes quote tweeting more viable.

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     plsburydoughboy (I/het/him) (plsburydoughboy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:44:08 JST plsburydoughboy (I/het/him)

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     @Gargron I hope to someday be able to quote you on that

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     COCONUT HEAD (cocohead@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:45:13 JST COCONUT HEAD

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     @Gargron It's convenient sometimes but copying twitter is what bugs me...

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     Jessica Lam 👩🏻‍💻👩🏻‍🎨 (kangaroo5383@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:45:27 JST Jessica Lam 👩🏻‍💻👩🏻‍🎨

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     @Gargron i think people are just used to having what they are used to, maybe invent something new that achieve similar goals without the drawbacks?

     I’d rather not have it
     Reasoning here: https://mastodon.social/@kangaroo5383/109582631300793543

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     Hey...Bhagwan!! (whataretheodds@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:46:26 JST Hey...Bhagwan!!

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     @Gargron so basically you are giving us a Titanic with enough lifeboats. It's going to be uncomfortable, but we can get rid of it. Good Captain.

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     v̾i̾t̾r̾i̾o̾l̾i̾x̾ (vitriolix@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:46:56 JST v̾i̾t̾r̾i̾o̾l̾i̾x̾

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     @Gargron The thing I like most about it is that often you get so much more useful context in a QT

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:47:10 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • Tattooed_Mummy

     @Tattooed_mummy @Gargron Yep! It will be opt out! Yay! Everyone wins! Except for trolls! Trolls always lose! ?

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     Tattooed_Mummy (tattooed_mummy@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:47:11 JST Tattooed_Mummy

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     • Darnell Clayton :verified:

     @Gargron @darnell please for the love of God let us be able to opt out, its one of the reasons I love it here more than twitter. Twitter went bad when they came in

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     COCONUT HEAD (cocohead@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:47:26 JST COCONUT HEAD

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     @Gargron I've already heard people in here talking about ways to attract advertisers... OMG...

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     Sean Mac :mastodon: (seanm4c@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:47:47 JST Sean Mac :mastodon:

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     @Gargron
     yes, I really think enabling that feature while allowing users to opt in or out is the win. ✌️

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     Stephen Cox Author (stephenwhq@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:48:20 JST Stephen Cox Author

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     @Gargron It's a big change and I think it would have mixed results.

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     DJGummikuh (djgummikuh@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:49:04 JST DJGummikuh

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     @Gargron
     opt out as the person being quoted or the person following an account that uses quotes?
     Also kudos, I personally like (and miss!) Quotes and respect that you are revisiting your position! ?

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     BlinkPopShift?️?⤴️ (blinkpopshift@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:49:24 JST BlinkPopShift?️?⤴️

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     @Gargron Have y'all done user research on a feature before? What metrics do you track for decision making? Do you share that data publicly?

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     Lu Wilson (todepond@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:51:59 JST Lu Wilson

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     @Gargron hallulelujah ?

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     Chaoddity (chaoddity@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:52:12 JST Chaoddity

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     @Gargron Do you think having quote-replies enable by default or disabled by default would be best?
     Would it be an account-wide setting that could be changed on a per-post basis as well?

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     Unattributed 👤 ☑ (unatributed@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:52:37 JST Unattributed 👤 ☑

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     @Gargron I missed it when I first joined back in 2019, but now I get the resistance.

     I've been saying for a while now that it's important to think about how the features of an application influence the use of the application.

     Quote posts are definitely at this category. I believe they have (unintentionally) promoted a less healthy environment that leads to dog-piling and brigading, and detract from direct conversation.

     I feel this would have a seriously negative impact on Mastodon.

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:52:40 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • Tattooed_Mummy

     @Tattooed_mummy @Gargron I think all this feedback on #Mastodon is awesome! I am sure the team can make it so your timeline only shows boosts & replies. Maybe they could add a filter checkmark that allows you to see quote posts or ignore them.

     It could also prevent others from quote posting your posts too.

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     Tattooed_Mummy (tattooed_mummy@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:52:41 JST Tattooed_Mummy

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     • Darnell Clayton :verified:

     @darnell @Gargron I don't want to be quote tooted or see quote toots though, I'm not sure that's possible

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     Parigot-Manchot φ (parigotmanchot@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:52:54 JST Parigot-Manchot φ

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     @Gargron donc l'un des fondateurs/développeurs de Masto revient sur sa pensée initiale et pense mettre en place les citations, comme sur Twitter, mais avec la possibilité de ne pas les autoriser individuellement...
     Pourquoi pas...

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     Joé McKen (joemcken@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:58:36 JST Joé McKen

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     @Gargron Thank you. Looking forward to this.

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     Helles Sachsen (helles_sachsen@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 15:58:41 JST Helles Sachsen

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     @Gargron yeah!

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     Katzentratschen (katzentratschen@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:01:55 JST Katzentratschen

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     @Gargron Thanks for considering it. #QuoteReply instead of #QuotePost might also be an option. Whether displayed above or below OP, replies won't get forked. Moreover limiting and/or hiding replies would be great.

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     Jigen Daisuke, Jr (jigendaisukejr@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:07:27 JST Jigen Daisuke, Jr

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     @Gargron please don't. One of the reasons users came to Mastodon before birdsite exodus was the absence of echo chamber. I read the discussions to add quoting but to my understanding it was requested just to make Mastodon as similar to users' former platform as possible. Mastodon stands out as a social platform of its own strengths. Please let's not drag in baggage of other sites just to make it less diverse.

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     ArtBrew (artbrew@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:07:36 JST ArtBrew

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     @Gargron the problem I see is that if someone posts something spiteful or disgusting it gets amplified. Even though lots of people will QT with stuff like 'I can't believe they posted this' it still gets seen by more people than it deserves and the hate poster is happy that they're getting attention.

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     fasol (fasol@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:07:46 JST fasol

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     @Gargron
     I hope you won't add it. It will not make Mastodon a better place.

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     Fedilab Apps (apps@toot.fedilab.app)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:08:49 JST Fedilab Apps

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     @Gargron
     Please, use the same values that already exist with other softwares.
     "quote_id" when posting and "quote" like for "reblog" in status object.

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     Linguist Gone Foreign 🌏 (linguistgoneforeign@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:13:30 JST Linguist Gone Foreign 🌏

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     @Gargron Please don't, this lovely place would likely turn into another rage-inducing hell like Twitter.

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     Chris Pirillo (chrispirillo@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:13:37 JST Chris Pirillo

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     @Gargron ...make it an opt-in feature, granular? Never, Always, or Selected?

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     R2 (r2000@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:16:07 JST R2

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     @Gargron Yeah I think that’s the right call.

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     Andrea Grandi 🦕 (andreagrandi@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:16:58 JST Andrea Grandi 🦕

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     @Gargron please make sure we can opt-out from reading them too (just like we can hide boosts from certain people).

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     Kim Mi (k1m@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:23:39 JST Kim Mi

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     @Gargron If you can choose to opt-out, this feature could be huge! ?

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     Andreas Dantz (spielundzeug@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:25:41 JST Andreas Dantz

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     @Gargron I‘d love to be able to quote posting this

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     InDefenseOfToucans (indefenseoftoucans@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:29:33 JST InDefenseOfToucans

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     @Gargron I am incredibly against them as they breed toxicity and just act as a way to try and put people out of context to your audience

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     Matt Savener (msavener@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:31:20 JST Matt Savener

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     @Gargron I see both sides. I think it has a lot of negative effects but I do miss commenting on things I share that aren't dunky/flamey.

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     Emma Zhou (emmz@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:38:08 JST Emma Zhou

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     @Gargron I’m sure you’ve heard this from others, but would love if you considered making them tumblr-style reblogs, where the commentary goes below the original post! Feels a lot more collaborative that way ❤️

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     ??????? (drikkes@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:39:13 JST ???????

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     @Gargron Please don‘t start the hate spiral.

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     Aurora 🐌 (coriopsicologia@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 16:41:33 JST Aurora 🐌

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     @Gargron Don't do it please! This will fuel toxic bejaviours.

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     zunda (zundan@mastodon.zunda.ninja)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:02:21 JST zunda

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP

     @Gargron Shouldn't notification by quote be opt-in rather than opt-out? I've once seen a screenshot by a victim who was bullied through a QT on Twitter by someone who the victim doesn't know. The first notification seemed to be enough to make a big damage to the victim.

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     Hans-Günter Brünker (hgbruenker@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:04:34 JST Hans-Günter Brünker

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     @Gargron Hmmm. It took me quite some time to get used to the fact that you can't quote posts.
     Now I'm quite happy, that we don't have it here ...

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     metkcom (metkcom@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:06:38 JST metkcom

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     @Gargron thanks. Sometimes i want to explain why i want to boost.

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     Nodami (nodami@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:08:50 JST Nodami

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     @Gargron please, by Default opt Out. Some of us do not need quote posts. Or that the Option is available only to people who activate it on settings. Something like that

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:15:34 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Mathilde Grünig

     @mathilde Claire and I

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     Mathilde Grünig (mathilde@smallcamp.art)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:15:36 JST Mathilde Grünig

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     @Gargron who is "we" Eugen?

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     Leonardo Di Ottio (leonardodiottio@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:15:57 JST Leonardo Di Ottio

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     @Gargron How about this for QuoteToots?

     By default only posts with hashtags can be quoted (after all, they are intended to be fairly public).

     Accounts can change to AlwaysAllow if they are, for instance, a news or campaign organisation or just want their Mastodon experience to be more public.

     Accounts can change to AlwaysBlock if they are concerned about abuse or wish their Mastodon experience to be more intimate.

     #QuoteTweet #QuoteToot #QuotePost #Mastodon

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     Petar Toushkov (cellfourteen@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:16:49 JST Petar Toushkov

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     @Gargron Quoting would be a nice feature for various reasons, but it could also be an unnecessary torture. I feel that it's okay to be quoted when someone wants to boost + express their opinion in one post without taking part in the conversation. Not having to be notified, or see, that someone quoted you (at least as an option) would save a lot of mental work and energy to people getting upset, having to block, mute, get back at, etc. And it prevents active misquoting, right?

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     Suzan ?? (suvelu@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:19:19 JST Suzan ??

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     @Gargron quoting posts is my most missing feature in Mastodon.
     I don't like share toots without adding a comment why I want to share it.

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     Roadskater, Ph.D. (roadskater@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:23:33 JST Roadskater, Ph.D.

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     @Gargron Quote posts suck. Don't go there.

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     Jay Sim (ecobecot@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:23:35 JST Jay Sim

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     @Gargron cool, hope you find a way to do this

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     John Ribbon (johnribbon@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:30:06 JST John Ribbon

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     @Gargron I don’t see any good reason to enable quote posts and some strong reasons not to. I’d go even further and crack down on screencap posts that are used for the same nasty hatchet job.

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     Nakul Shenoy (nakulshenoy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:36:33 JST Nakul Shenoy

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     @Gargron best thing ever. I wish I could quote RT this:)

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     Jörn Reinhardt (joern_reinhardt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:42:03 JST Jörn Reinhardt

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     @Gargron I have a question concerning governance and guidelines: Who actually decides on this exactly? According to which criteria?

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     Nick Parfene (nicktmro@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:45:16 JST Nick Parfene

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     @Gargron people post links to toots and bypass to achieve the same outcome… I dislike quote tooting, too, but a managed approach is preferable imho

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     Richard Hoekstra (richardhoekstra@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:49:49 JST Richard Hoekstra

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     @Gargron please don’t

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     SuiR (suir@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:51:05 JST SuiR

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     @Gargron I like mastodon for how it encourages original posting not making remarks on other’s post. Personally not a fan of quote boosts. May make citing easier so people can comment on toots on timelines when needed?

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     Simone (simone21@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 17:59:59 JST Simone

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     @Gargron
     I recently read that the lack of this feature is responsible for the other demeanour of people here. You can't toot just to your bubble, everything you toot is visible for all, this makes it harder to rally warriors against others. With that in mind, I think it's better to continue to do without it.

     By the way: Thanks for this wonderful platform. I'm amazed about the decent and civilized exchange here. For me, this makes it a place where I like to take part in. ? ? ?

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     Luc (lucseleventje@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:09:26 JST Luc

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     @Gargron I'd strongly prefer an opt-*in*. With the fast growth of Mastodon the risk of misuse might be bigger, so switched off as standard seems safest.

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     Stefan Scholl (stefan_s_from_h@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:16:08 JST Stefan Scholl

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     @Gargron disabled replies is one of the more frustrating features of Twitter.

     On Mastodon, you can already only ask the people who are following you. Disabling replies leads to public posts with questions you can’t answer.

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     Raoul (raoul@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:16:55 JST Raoul

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     @Gargron One benefit is that people see straight off the bat, that the quote really is from the quoted person. Not just propaganda. I see this as an improvement against dis- and misinformation.

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     Sam Hogarth (samhogy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:18:11 JST Sam Hogarth

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     @Gargron the lack of quote tweets makes for a calmer and friendlier network, I've found, with less focus on engagement and the negative effects of pile-ons. I hope it's not added.

     But if it is added, I also hope there's an option to turn that off, and turn it off in bulk.

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     markus s (msgbi@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:24:43 JST markus s

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     • aloa5
     • charles ex

     @Gargron @aloa5 @charles_ex

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     MolecularXtal (molecularxtal@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:34:47 JST MolecularXtal

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     @Gargron THANK YOU. This is really important to make Mastodon safe for all users.

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     abcxyz@mastodon.social's status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:36:25 JST abcxyz

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     @Gargron listening to the consumers is good. But don't listen to their every demand. Especially the ones from #twittermigration. I personally want the ability to follow someone but not see their posts on my feed cause I want to add them to separate lists and only look at them at decided times

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     CTrevethan🐡🥣 (ctrevethan@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:42:03 JST CTrevethan🐡🥣

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     @Gargron in some ways it sounds a bit like the weapons debate. People say the tool is not the problem, people are. I am a good person so I should get to have the tool,which is fine arguement. However, if no one has access to the tool, the ‘bad’ people will be less of a problem because they cant abuse the tool. And maybe the ‘good’ people will find a more ingenious tool?
     footnote: this is just a thought. I do not wish to open a debate on tools of any sort. only table saw vs circular saw.

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     Bob Wyman (bobwyman@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:49:36 JST Bob Wyman

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     @Gargron 's plan to modify Mastodon to disable replies strikes me as profoundly misguided and likely to make fighting disinformation and lies more difficult.

     No one who makes a public statement should have either the right or means to constrain replies -- whether positive or negative. If it is within one's right to speak, it is certainly within another's right to respond.

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     Iris Volk (funkvolk@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:52:46 JST Iris Volk

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     @Gargron ?

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     Gabino Luis (botvinnik@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:53:20 JST Gabino Luis

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     @Gargron What is the reason you don't like quote posts?

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:55:17 JST FediTips has moved!

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     @Gargron

     Demand doesn't necessarily mean something is a good idea though?

     There's a lot of demand for centralisation, but that would be a really bad idea.

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     Ɲєιƚ Ƃιɍƌ 凤 (fnxweb@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:55:39 JST Ɲєιƚ Ƃιɍƌ 凤

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     @Gargron I missed QTs when I first moved from the fowl site, but have since come to think of them as net negative.

     I wonder if an all-in-one option to reply and then boost the reply would cover the need? (IOW, on reply, offer toot/toot-then-boost)

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     GJ Groothedde 🇪🇺 (eetschrijver@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 18:57:43 JST GJ Groothedde 🇪🇺

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     @Gargron I wish you wisdom. I do personally not miss the functionality and am, after eight weeks of tooting, quite convinced that your arguments for not implementing it are as valid now as they were then and increase the value of the platform. Just my two cents, mind.

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 19:04:06 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • Darkstar

     @darkstar I doubt @Gargron can control how other platforms like #Pleroma & #MissKey handle quote posting (the latter two already have this built in). #Mastodon has tremendous influence in the #Fediverse, but at the same time other platforms can ignore Mastond’s suggestions.

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     Darkstar (darkstar@mastodon.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 19:04:07 JST Darkstar

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     • Darnell Clayton :verified:

     @darnell @Gargron Remember that the Fediverse is not just mastodon. So these safeguards have to be implemented in the other elements of the Fediverse too.

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     Roadskater, Ph.D. (roadskater@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 19:21:19 JST Roadskater, Ph.D.

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     @Gargron No, please do consider it, and e ny it. Quote re-tweeting, or re-tooting, is just a very sad mechanism .

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     recker5 (recker5@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 19:25:34 JST recker5

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     @Gargron please implement it.

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     John Samuel (jsamwrites@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 19:26:11 JST John Samuel

     in reply to

     @Gargron "One model fits all" approach created some major issues on other social media sites. Considering that features like quote posts have been asked by many, including journalists, having the possibility to opt-out/opt-in will help others to configure Mastodon according to their needs.

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     TimP (timpizey@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 19:32:29 JST TimP

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     @Gargron Please no.

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     Dave Diamond (dldnh@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 19:41:24 JST Dave Diamond

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     @Gargron I'm glad to hear this. People who wish to add a comment to a Boost should have access to such a feature. People who would abuse such a feature should not have access to the system at all.

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     Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮 (gamingonlinux@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 19:47:46 JST Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮

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     @Gargron THANK YOU

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     Rastal (rastal@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 19:54:57 JST Rastal

     in reply to

     @Gargron The demand comes exclusively from those who want Mastodon to be Twitter.

     Mastodon is not Twitter.

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     Kayna (Lauren Wu) (lauren_wu@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 19:56:02 JST Kayna (Lauren Wu)

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     @Gargron Thank you for listening to the feedback while taking into account the concerns of dissenters!

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     smtddr (smtddr@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 20:03:57 JST smtddr

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     @Gargron This is the right thing to do. Add the feature and allow users to disable if they so desire ✅ ?

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     7sleepersmusic (7sleepersmusic@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 20:34:29 JST 7sleepersmusic

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     @Gargron ?

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     Reinout ✅️ (kalahiri@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 20:47:13 JST Reinout ✅️

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     @Gargron Thanks. ?

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 20:50:11 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Deurman@fosstodon $ :idle:

     @deurman @Gargron

     We aren't just individuals, we are all part of a community.

     If the community turns toxic, we all suffer.

     Features which encourage toxicity harm all of us, because they affect how people around us behave. Toxicity promotes aggression, suspicion and stress, it makes the world a nastier place to live in.

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     Deurman@fosstodon $ :idle: (deurman@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 20:50:13 JST Deurman@fosstodon $ :idle:

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     • FediTips has moved!

     @feditips

     @Gargron I mean, if you don't want to use it, then don't use it, right?

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     Andrei Kucharavy (andrei_chiffa@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 20:52:07 JST Andrei Kucharavy

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     @Gargron

     I do believe that the absence of quote-tweets is something that really makes a conversation healthier here. I still remember Twitter introducing quote-tweets and it starting slam-dunks from all sides of the spectrum.

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     Witchy ?️‍? (drwitchypoo@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 21:01:34 JST Witchy ?️‍?

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     @Gargron Maybe opt in. I like it but yeah, can be really nasty and insidious.

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     abortretryfail (abortretryfail@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 21:08:20 JST abortretryfail

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     @Gargron
     It's a terrible feature. ?

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     Puffer (puffer@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 21:09:39 JST Puffer

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     @Gargron More than just opting in on having your posts quoted, I hope we will be able to opt out of seeing them in our Home timeline. One of the under discussed worst aspects of quote tweets is mutuals using them bring stuff you try to avoid into your timeline. Like popular accounts you don’t necessarily want to block or mute, but don’t follow, but since folks want to add their two cents there they are.

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     David Brookes 🔶🎸 (deembe@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 21:22:24 JST David Brookes 🔶🎸

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     @Gargron I am making good use of the filter to hide bird site links and would really appreciate a tic-box there to opt out of seeing quotes or being (ab)used via quotes. I appreciate that others would see it more positively though.

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     Andrew Hinton (andrewhinton@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 22:01:10 JST Andrew Hinton

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     @Gargron yeah I would expect it to take some time to implement this in a better way that adds the right friction / boundary-control points

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     ThatOneCalculator :calcdumpy: :calckey: (thatonecalculator@stop.voring.me)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 22:34:39 JST ThatOneCalculator :calcdumpy: :calckey:

     in reply to

     • Fog
     • zbecker

     @zbecker@mastodon.zbecker.cc @Fog@newsie.social @Gargron@mastodon.social Kaiteki works for Calckey on both mobile and desktop :)

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     Fog (fog@newsie.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 22:34:52 JST Fog

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     @Gargron

     Hi!

     It might be a nice thing to have as an opt-in, but it’s not the feature we’re missing the most, despite a recent polemic started by journalists silenced by Musk.

     While #Mastodon is superior to birdsite on many levels, notably its edit function, 500-character limit, quality of moderation, absence of algorithms and shadow banning, it remains behind with regard to two essential aspects: #discoverability and #search function.

     Could anything be done about it?

     Thanks!

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     zbecker (zbecker@mastodon.zbecker.cc)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 22:34:52 JST zbecker

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     • Fog

     @Fog @Gargron

     I would also add in the resource usage when your #selfHostingMastodon. I suppose I could move over to #akkoma or #calcKey, but in the case of #akkoma I can't transfer my account, and there aren't really any good calckey apps.

     In all fairness it is my own fault for using a desktop that I built years ago gathering dust that has a 2 core #intel #pentium and 8g of #ram while hosting a number of other servers at the same time...

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     Daniel (danielg88@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 22:37:14 JST Daniel

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     @Gargron this is the way!

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     Oliver Kamer (olikami@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 22:37:43 JST Oliver Kamer

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     @Gargron Does this need a change in the ActivityPub protocol or can this be a mastodon only change? (Sorry my technical understanding here is limited)

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     jfrazier (jfrazier@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 22:39:19 JST jfrazier

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     @Gargron "Considering it is next to godliness." -Benjamin Franklin, probably

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     Η_Βγιολέτα (violetap@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 22:39:44 JST Η_Βγιολέτα

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     @Gargron I remember why you did not want the quote posts and I still think you was right.

     I understand that Twitter users feel more comfortable to be on a similar "environment" but this is not Twitter and some of us we are here exactly for that.

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     Joshua Holland (joshuaholland@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 23:03:12 JST Joshua Holland

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     @Gargron If people can turn them off it doesn't seem like an issue. I want 'em.

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     ራስ ባሪያው Rass Bariaw (rassbariaw@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 23:22:51 JST ራስ ባሪያው Rass Bariaw

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     @Gargron ???️

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     PONTO (jpq@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 23:27:08 JST PONTO

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     @Gargron I think if QPs are introduced, it will boil down to whether they are enabled or disabled by default, as that's what most users will have. If off by default, the feature might as well not exist; if on by default, then using it will become the paradigm and users might occasionally have to circumvent the original poster's preference by linking to the post or taking a screenshot. So I think making it optional might clutter the interface for little benefit.

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     Jake Winter (jakewinter@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jan-2023 23:34:57 JST Jake Winter

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     @Gargron I would say stick to no explicit quote tweet behavior but handle it however you handle the preview of links to mastodon posts and potentially allow masking of the preview

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     OutOnTheMoors (crazymyra@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 00:07:09 JST OutOnTheMoors

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     @Gargron Please don't do this at all

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     ozon (ozono@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 00:17:04 JST ozon

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     @Gargron there isn't a lot of demand for it. It's a small vocal minority pushing for it ?

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     Aziz Poonawalla (azizhp@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 00:24:44 JST Aziz Poonawalla

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     @Gargron I think that so.e of the pushback is from people who think qt makes #mastodon "into (the worst version) of twitter" but there's no reason that should be true

     As a feature it us useful for providing context to a boost, without obscuring it.

     It also could be a client side implementation with a show parent button for any reply

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     Саша Морс, here we go again... (alexmorse@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 00:27:25 JST Саша Морс, here we go again...

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     @Gargron nooooo

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     Unattributed 👤 ☑ (unatributed@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 00:30:54 JST Unattributed 👤 ☑

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     @Gargron Question: what happens if someone quote posts a post that from an instance that has been banned on my instance?

     Is this going to become a method that people use for #fediblock evasion?

     What about quoted posts of people I've muted / blocked?

     I think this is a much more difficult feature to implement in a large scale federated environment.

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     LizWhoFan (lizwhofan@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 00:52:55 JST LizWhoFan

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     @Gargron I despise quote posts, so I’m definitely not part of the demand. Not looking forward to seeing be used like on the #hellbirdsite. All they’re good for is hate and dogpiling. I hope there’s a way to opt out. I freaking hate them.

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     Nicholas Mamo (memonick@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 00:57:46 JST Nicholas Mamo

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     • Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮

     @Gargron @gamingonlinux something to cheer you up ?

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     IamWahl (iamwahl@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 01:00:14 JST IamWahl

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     @Gargron
     This helps make Mastodon and the #Fediverse an improvement over the failing bird site. I missed being able to quote-toot when I first arrived but it didn’t take long to realize it was just a habit and adjust. I’ve seen numerous others saying similar. The folks who are the most vociferous on this appear to have not even tried to adjust, they just want the other site without the new order/owner.
     A very granular (toot-level) opt-in function would be ok, but not just an on/off per account…

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     Thomas H Jones II (ferricoxide@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 01:13:55 JST Thomas H Jones II

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     @Gargron

     For me, it's way to respond to a post in a way that doesn't hijack a conversation. Often times, my replies aren't directly relevant to the primary conversation – mostly a matter for tangential discussion.

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     EVHaste (haste@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 01:26:45 JST EVHaste

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     @Gargron Just adding a voice to the “I’d really rather we didn’t” category. The experience of browsing mastodon vs ye olde Twitter is night and day in regards to original content.

     I think it’s inevitable that QT functionality empowers folks to have endless “takes” on the same posts. Even taking the harassment angle out of it (which is quite seriously imho) it’s not good for post quality.

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     AaronHuertas (aaronhuertas@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 01:44:41 JST AaronHuertas

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     @Gargron Thanks. Having toggles at the instance or user level makes a lot of sense. It's very useful for news and commentary, imo.

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     Song Du (freewizard@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 02:01:05 JST Song Du

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     @Gargron it'll be really nice to be compatible with existing implementations and
     Fediverse Enhancement Proposal:
     https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/feps/fep-e232.md

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     Elz de Korte (elzdekorte@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 02:08:07 JST Elz de Korte

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     @Gargron no, no, we're good, thanks

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     jenhansen (jenhansen@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 02:41:41 JST jenhansen

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     @Gargron We non-journalists all had to learn new things and adapt our existing social media behaviors to successfully use Mastodon. Journalists have been given far too many “Easy buttons” that they haven’t earned over the past several years. They can learn and adapt to use Mastodon too. There’s currently only one major squeaky wheel here right now, and she’s done nothing but complain since she got here, please don’t bend to her celebrity-like demands.

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     Ruben Bolling ? (rubenbolling@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 02:45:21 JST Ruben Bolling ?

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     @Gargron They are great. They foster engagement

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     Henry Edward Hardy (hhardy01@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 02:47:19 JST Henry Edward Hardy

     in reply to

     There is a demand to make Mastodon into a clone of twitter.

     Is that what we want?

     If people want to fork the code or submit a patch then they could do that.

     @Gargron

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     TimNMurph (gasheadau@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 02:49:47 JST TimNMurph

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     @Gargron as a refugee from the other place, I’m strongly against it. I think it’s one of the things that lead to such negativity over there. People would constantly use it to lash poorly thought out criticisms. Boosts are boosts: simple positive. Why on earth boost something you hate? If people have a problem with the OP, why not debate with them directly via a thread of responses?

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     It's Gregory (itsgregory@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 03:08:39 JST It's Gregory

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     @Gargron It's a standard cost/benefit analysis Popularity aside as witnessed of American society that endorsed much of the hellscape we're all NOW eyebrow deep in

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     Franz van Betteraey (frvabe@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 03:43:02 JST Franz van Betteraey

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     • DJGummikuh

     Haste gesehen, @DJGummikuh, oder?

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     Tucker Teague (tuckerteague@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 03:48:45 JST Tucker Teague

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     @Gargron I would guess most who want that function have come from Twitter. Over there quote tweets are a huge part of that site's negativity. Also, it's a lot easier to grab someone else's content and repost it than coming up with one's own good content. By not having quote posts here, I would argue, has elevated the content and engagement here over what we see on Twitter.

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     Dadmin (dadmin@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 04:03:01 JST Dadmin

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     @Gargron Thank you for this careful approach.

     I am not keen of quoted posts because I like the idea of a platform that forgets.

     Quoted posts would take the control over my posts out of my hand.

     Editing, deleting, reposting - all these dearly loved features of Mastodon would be at risk.

     I am very happy without quoted posts ?

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     Bianca (goldenrulelover@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 04:05:20 JST Bianca

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     @Gargron I think we should have it. It facilitates dialogue. People who abuse it can be blocked.

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     Mr. Funk E. Dude (mrfunkedude@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 04:41:10 JST Mr. Funk E. Dude

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     @Gargron As long as there's the option to not allow your toots to be QT'd.

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     carlyn (carlynorama@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 04:45:18 JST carlyn

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     @Gargron What about a "captioned boost" where the boosters content is below the original? Might discourage the more "look at me and how much better I am than this person" style of quote post while letting people add context to why they are boosting?

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     Will Robertson (willrobertson@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 05:55:31 JST Will Robertson

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     @Gargron it adds an extra social dynamic, I can quote repost a journalist or publication’s post linking to their article rather than just a URL that leads elsewhere

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     offworldgirl@mastodon.social's status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:01:00 JST OffWorldGirl

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     @Gargron The only way I'd like to see this happen, especially if you're going to let people opt-out of replies, is tie quotes to replies.

     If a reply is boosted it should quote the post it's replying to for context when you see the boosted reply by itself in your feed (without having to click through to see the OP). That would allow people to quote post only by boosting a reply, which would also preserve your original argument against quoting in favor of replying.

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     James Slezak (jslez@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:02:30 JST James Slezak

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     @Gargron ???????

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     Anna Claire (sarail_clay@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:12:53 JST Anna Claire

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     @Gargron
     I don't like them. Please don't do them. Mastodon is great BECAUSE we don't have quoted posts.

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     Miguel de Icaza ᯅ🍉 (migueldeicaza@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:15:53 JST Miguel de Icaza ᯅ🍉

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     @Gargron thanks for this update, and kudos to the team for taking this into consideration.

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     june (lilacteeth@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:20:58 JST june

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     @Gargron would love to see quote toots as long as you can disable people from quoting you if you want

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     Darcy Casselman (flyingsquirrel@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:26:41 JST Darcy Casselman

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     @Gargron normally, I'd want to quote this and express to my followers that I'm happy it's being reconsidered and hope that people's concerns about the feature can also be addressed somehow.

     Feels weird to have to address you directly.

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     Charlie Charlie (charliesbot@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 06:38:25 JST Charlie Charlie

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     @Gargron great!

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     Laura SSM (laurassm@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 07:35:07 JST Laura SSM

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     @Gargron
     I think your original 2018 intuition was good and that it would be better not to do it: on Twitter it is mostly only used for insulting, ridiculing or as an egocentric substitute for the Reply option. I just hope that if finally implemented, the opt out will allow us to prevent our toots from being quoted.

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     しかし :catjam: (shikashi@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 08:02:27 JST しかし :catjam:

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     @Gargron Hey, Eugen. I think quotes are a nice feature to have, it allows users to speak about topics without losing context. Yeah, quotes could be used to harass someone but having settings to handle them should be a must. Personally, I hate quotes from private accounts where you cannot reply.

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     radiocron (radiocron@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 08:57:41 JST radiocron

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     @Gargron if it's lightweight, okay - otherwise, don't knock yourself out :) It's not essential.

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     Urzl (gooba42@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 09:02:57 JST Urzl

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     @Gargron I'm skeptical but I've seen more legit arguments in favor as other niches and subcultures have come forward to make their cases.

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     Xero Kane ✅ (xerokane@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 09:25:08 JST Xero Kane ✅

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     @Gargron This environment is different then musketwitter and I like that. QT is not a feature I cared about there really. And frankly made stuff feel disconnected when I think about it.

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     Terci (terci@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 10:57:30 JST Terci

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     @Gargron opt-in PVP zones sound fine to me

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     Wendy Siegelman (wendysiegelman@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 13:00:38 JST Wendy Siegelman

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     @Gargron the opt out feature would be great. Although I’m sure this would not be simple either - another modified option would be the ability to quote our own prior posts. It would allow everyone to quickly reference things we have said before that we want to add on to, without imposing the feature on others.

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     Da Gummit Elaine! (newsthyme@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 14:00:20 JST Da Gummit Elaine!

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     It's what I miss the most. I had a small account with good interaction and a fabulous timeline that I built from quote tweets.

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     Liam 🏴 (nerdwiththehat@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 14:34:41 JST Liam 🏴

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     @Gargron as a user who has previously voiced support for quoting, I feel almost obligated to request that it /not/ be implemented. It's one of those little "not here" things that I think has made using Mastodon that much kinder on my brain.

     ...that said, it would improve my "credit to user XYZ who found this" workflow immensely, which makes up like 90% of my threads on Bird Hell. Dunno if I'd be doing the same here - I've mostly been keeping myself "focused" on rambling :cate:

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     Nancy M Ruff (eighthdayarts@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 14:48:46 JST Nancy M Ruff

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     @Gargron that's too bad.

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     Tom Delargy (tomdelargy@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 14:51:35 JST Tom Delargy

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     Until I saw @Gargron's justification for Mastodon banning quote posts I didn't see a problem. I decided, on balance, this decision was correct and was surprised many insisted it impaired journalists' incentive to come here. Like many things quote posting can be used for good or bad. Opting out is a poor idea as you'd miss those using it for balanced debate. The alternative is using copy and paste to provide context. But that risks people saying they've been taken out of context. #QuotePosts

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     Tom Delargy (tomdelargy@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 14:56:06 JST Tom Delargy

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     @Gargron You can provide an opt out position on quote posts. But that doesn't address the fact that it can be used to help both the quote poster and the one being quoted. If someone insists they can't be quote posted they'll simply have their words provided without proof the entire meaning was provided. If someone thinks they're not being treated fairly by a quote poster they can complain and if they don't get satisfaction, they can block the offender. That seems a better approach to me.

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     Tom Delargy (tomdelargy@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 14:59:25 JST Tom Delargy

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     @Gargron Several times Neil Gaiman quote posted me on the other place and I invariably retweeted it even when he was being critical of me and I felt the need to defend myself from his criticism. My stats went off the scale when this happened but that wasn't the reason I was happy. It helped everybody that both sides of an argument were available to everyone. Opting out of quote posting seems an unwise thing to do. If someone thinks they've been treated unfairly they can block. #QuotePosts

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     clay anderson 🇺🇦🇮🇱🔰🥑🌐🚲🗽☢️ (cshentrup@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 15:00:56 JST clay anderson 🇺🇦🇮🇱🔰🥑🌐🚲🗽☢️

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     @Gargron seems to me it's just a client implementation detail of how you want to display links.

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     Julian ♪🌻🥥🌴♫ (tffprisoner@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 19:59:35 JST Julian ♪🌻🥥🌴♫

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     @Gargron Would be great to opt in and out of having toots quoted.

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     Freakinbox (freakinbox@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 01:43:51 JST Freakinbox

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     @Gargron they aren't any different to replies and can be reported all the same. ?♂️

     I'd like to not see ones of people I blocked.. Like at all. Twitter shows me what the QTer posts.. I don't even want that of I have the original poster blocked. ?

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     Hughster (hughster@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 02:16:48 JST Hughster

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     @Gargron It'd be helpful to clarify what "QT" means here.

     Twitter #QTs work more as a kind of "alt-reply" function, more "branching off a conversation" than simply linking to a post, with 3 essential attributes:

     1. The other post is displayed as if it's a seamless part of ones own
     2. The other person is notified just as with a reply or @-mention
     3. QTs are listed under "x Quoted Posts" under the original post

     When one says "I want QTs", is this what one means? Would anything less be enough?

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     Jaec (jaec@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 06:16:40 JST Jaec

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     @Gargron what about disable _notifications_ of your post being quoted, not the quote functionality in other user's UI.

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     ThatOneCalculator :calcdumpy: :calckey: (thatonecalculator@stop.voring.me)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 13:04:23 JST ThatOneCalculator :calcdumpy: :calckey:

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     @zbecker@mastodon.zbecker.cc @Gargron@mastodon.social @Fog@newsie.social yes! It's been changing a lot, especially in the last few weeks :)

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     zbecker (zbecker@mastodon.zbecker.cc)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 13:04:25 JST zbecker

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     @thatonecalculator @Gargron @Fog

     Last time I looked at #Kaiteki, it looked like it was missing a number of features, has that changed?

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     Molotov Cockatiel Games (Bill) (molotovcockatiel@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 01:03:34 JST Molotov Cockatiel Games (Bill)

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     @Gargron Don’t need or want it. I agree with the reasoning to leave it out. Better cross-instance interactions and performance much more important imho.

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     Shoq (shoq@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 23:22:44 JST Shoq

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     @Gargron A fine compromise. My bet? After 6 months, not even 5% will opt-out, and that number will shrink quickly as people realize that much of the "abuse" was never a real issue (the moderation was). But your better reason, imo, that it promoted a lesser kind of engagement, may still prove accurate. I personally doubt it, but it might. Either way, it will be what it will. Time will tell. Thanks for revisiting it.

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     Lia Matera (liamatera@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jan-2023 04:43:04 JST Lia Matera

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     @Gargron I hope you do allow them. I like to comment on stories as I pass them along. I hesitate to bring things I didn't post myself to people's attention without explaining why.

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     healyn (healyn@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jan-2023 14:48:03 JST healyn

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     @Gargron if i could quote post this one, i'd say "smh ?"

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     benis911@mastodon.social's status on Sunday, 08-Jan-2023 05:38:49 JST benis911

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     @Gargron

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     Nonplayable (nonplayable@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 02:51:36 JST Nonplayable

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     @Gargron I think any form of quote toot would kneecap the platform's appeal to me. On the one hand you've got the timeline filling up with posts from like, parlor.toot because some well meaning doofus wanted to quote it and get their dunks in, on the other hand if you can toggle it off, you miss good people using it to hype up other good people with glowing reviews or recommendations.

     Just let your boost be boost and toot be toot.

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     Geo Rg (mrgr@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jan-2023 16:36:58 JST Geo Rg

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     @Gargron Ich bin gegen die Einführung einer Zitierfunktion. Wer es unbedingt möchte, kann ja heute bereits einen Link zu einem Toot teilen und diesen kommentieren. Es ist also eigentlich gar nicht notwendig. Ich empfinde es als ganz angenehm, dass es kommentierte Toots nur ganz selten im Ausnahmefall gibt. Auch ich habe dies in den vier Jahren meiner Mitgliedschaft nur sehr selten benutzt, im Gegensatz zu Twitter, wo es an der Tagesordnung ist, mehr übereinander als miteinander zu reden.

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     NEND ? (nend@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jan-2023 15:16:14 JST NEND ?

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     @Gargron Matters on implementation.

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     Tim Dawson (reconfine@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 23-Jan-2023 02:56:43 JST Tim Dawson

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     @Gargron please