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   ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​ (neko@rdrama.cc)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Jul-2022 13:42:28 JST ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​
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     @BlinkRape idk nigga ask him
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     Ethical Pedophile (blinkrape@posting.lolicon.rocks)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Jul-2022 13:45:44 JST Ethical Pedophile

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     @neko was he talking about computers or abandoning his kids
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     @neko on my way
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     ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​ (neko@rdrama.cc)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 02:33:53 JST ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​

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     @bajax That's kind of what GNOME is doing, trying to fulfill the "simple just werks" experience, same with KDE. I actually am not a large of the Macintosh finder experience myself over desktop environments, i.e. no window snapping in 2021+1.
     
     It's also worth remember that many people work on the Linux desktop entirely for Free, Apple is a company in itself. People have worked for years to accomplish this goal of having a good UX.
     
     I think we're getting there, but we aren't quite there.
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     bajax (bajax@bajax.us)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 02:33:58 JST bajax

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     @neko to be fair, while his products didn't deliver that experience half the time, he himself had a point... Most software people do not focus on UX very much. Or if they do it's not to deliver a cohesive experience, but a kind of myopic need to shepherd them into certain behaviors the business has decided is profitable. I'd like to see an open source project that could build a desktop environment that would "just work" for people, but we can't have that because everyone in open source starts pulling shit in fifty different directions.
     
     Like how nice would it be if every networked service automatically advertised its capabilities by default? Like you could just open up something on your computer and see everything running on your network? Turned on a brand new raspberry pi? Don't want to hook it up to a monitor and keyboard to configure it? Just open network explorer and click on it, and you can SSH in and start using it. I'm not saying make it easy for braindead users to use-- I don't think that's possible or even a worthy goal. Just stop wasting our time with minutia. Use sensible defaults rather than the absolute minimum. But nah, we still have to type in IP addresses even now.
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     ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​ (neko@rdrama.cc)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:08:26 JST ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​

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     @bajax > Why is that? It's an unnecessarily arcane way to go about it, a process left over from the days of non- plug and play, when this stuff NEEDED to be initialized at system boot or it wouldn't be able to work. Why not just do it like modern systems do-- if they find a mountable system, mount it. If you need a specific mount point for this drive, set a volume label.
     
     You have to pick which drives you want from boot, it just offers control. If you don't need the control, just generate an fstab and it'll do the work.
     
     Also, if you've ever worked with Windows and macOS partition management, l m a o.
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     bajax (bajax@bajax.us)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:08:27 JST bajax

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     @neko >I think we're getting there, but we aren't quite there.
     I think they're focusing on the wrong thing. I think they need to be focusing on changing how they interface with their own equipment rather than building training wheels for non-technical users.
     
     Consider fstab. When you add a hard drive to a linux system, it's pretty standard to format it, set its mount point, and then add it to fstab. Why is that? It's an unnecessarily arcane way to go about it, a process left over from the days of non- plug and play, when this stuff NEEDED to be initialized at system boot or it wouldn't be able to work. Why not just do it like modern systems do-- if they find a mountable system, mount it. If you need a specific mount point for this drive, set a volume label.
     
     My point is they could easily eliminate half the burden for THEMSELVES, but they don't want to change how things are done. I think this is going to accumulate over time into a large technical debt that will make getting into administering systems something new technically-minded youth don't do anymore because the barrier to entry is just too high. I mean... This stuff could easily still be around, still be accumulating new features, new configuration gotchas that you have to be aware of etc... 200 years from now. Or longer.
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     ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​ (neko@rdrama.cc)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:11:18 JST ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​

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     @pomstan @bajax Or because it just needs you to manually mount it, not everyone wants to mouse all their drives, it's actually a step of safety
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     pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:11:19 JST pomstan

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     @bajax @neko

     Why is that?

     because specially crafted data can crash or exploit bugs in filesystem modules

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     ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​ (neko@rdrama.cc)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:12:29 JST ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​

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     @bajax People who multiboot operating systems as an example. If windows supported EXT4, what if a Virus wiped your external drives? It's a small step for isolation. Some people indeed unplug their hard drives when switching OS's
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     bajax (bajax@bajax.us)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:12:30 JST bajax

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     @neko This is a level of control you can have nowadays more reasonably by just unplugging the drive.
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     ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​ (neko@rdrama.cc)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:12:43 JST ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​

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     @s8n @bajax i personally never really cared, I'm looking at a normalfag point of view, I use whatever works for me
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     @neko @bajax the things you think you want from linux are wrong
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     ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​ (neko@rdrama.cc)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:24:09 JST ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​

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     @bajax @pomstan It's a hobby kernel, there are abstractions to fstab. I don't know why you're words words words posting about mounting drives. For most people it's not an issue, maybe look at Systemd, which can manage that kind of stuff for you?
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     bajax (bajax@bajax.us)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:24:10 JST bajax

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     @neko @pomstan >safety, security, control etc
     these are post-hoc rationalizations for the current system, not an examination of the benefits of it. I think the reason why things are the way they are come down to psychology more than anything else.
     
     Seems a lot of people who use linux get a feeling of "control" from having to do overly complex tasks like these. I think they see it like a puzzle game, a dopamine hit whenever things line up, that an automounting system would rob them of.
     
     I'm not saying the task is extremely difficult, I'm just saying it's a waste of time and effort that could be spent elsewhere. Also that it's symptomatic of an epidemic of cruft that techy people have trained themselves over the years to not even notice.
     
     There's a lot about sticking to a baseline standard I like. I'd even say in a lot of ways its essential to do so-- for example, I'm against adding extraneous shit to streams or signals, I'm against changing the way time-worn commands function because that old predictability is a GOOD thing.
     
     I don't think we should be changing things just to change them. I think we should instead add abstractions where they will make things easier without hiding too much of the process.
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     ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​ (neko@rdrama.cc)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:28:25 JST ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​

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     @pomstan @bajax you know what i mean you autist
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     pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:28:27 JST pomstan

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     @neko @bajax fstab isn’t even a kernel mechanism

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     ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​ (neko@rdrama.cc)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:30:19 JST ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​

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     @bajax @pomstan I really don't understand your point. Nothing in the tech scene will ever be perfect, it's overwhelming at best and the only thing you can do is simplify things. There are abstractions to fstab, as I've stated, so I still see this as a nonissue. There are userspace tools for mounting partitions
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     bajax (bajax@bajax.us)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 03:30:20 JST bajax

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     @neko @pomstan >It's a hobby kernel, there are abstractions to fstab. For most people it's not an issue
     It's symptomatic of a larger issue with tech bros and tech culture as a whole. We aren't trying to improve things. We're letting them stagnate without a clear overarching goal of what we're trying to achieve. Progress is incremental, often contradictory.
     
     >hobby kernel
     These things aren't mutually exclusive with ergonomic (for lack of a better word) design.
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     You always get what you want! (get@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 06:04:53 JST You always get what you want!

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     @bajax @neko @pomstan most distros have automount lol
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     ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​ (neko@rdrama.cc)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 08:54:48 JST ​:hyperfastparrot:​ nekobit ​:cat_sui_2:​

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     @Eris @bajax @BlinkRape Weren't you the dude George Floyding because he was filtered by computers and basic programming
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     @BlinkRape @bajax @neko
     >But when you hand me an OS that can't even automount all my useable partitions
     If you even know what a partition is let alone use them you are a nerd
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     Ethical Pedophile (blinkrape@posting.lolicon.rocks)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Jul-2022 08:54:50 JST Ethical Pedophile

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     @Eris @bajax @neko
     
     Linux has historically struggled as an end-user operating system, because it has historically been developed for by power users who operate under the errant assumption that everyone should learn to use a computer like they use one.
     
     There is rationality to the idea that removing all the under-workings from the user dumbs things down, but its a double edged sword. If people today were handed a windows 95 box that was randomly crashing or had some IRQ conflict or shit the bed anytime you tried to play a specific game, they wouldn't know what to do. They would kill themselves from frustration.
     
     It would probably happen to me to a certain extent too, because over the decades, I have progressed from being a CLI user, to a GUI user who understood how his system worked with primitive Plug N Play, to a faggot that googles everything anytime something doesn't work right on Windows 10 and then copy pastes some solution, or follows some pre-written guide of shit to do.
     
     I have no problem adapting to using a terminal for shit, or editing config files or any of that shit. But when you hand me an OS that can't even automount all my useable partitions, or requires some library someone hasn't updated in 3 years, but it'll work if you get all the dependencies and compile it yourself (only takes you 3 hours), that shit get's annoying. Nothing chuffs me more than a community of know-it-alls who never have an answer for me when I show up with my midwit tier question about something that should have an obvious solution. The only answer is "go back to windows lol".
     
     I don't have time for that shit.
     
     This kind of shit is why "the year of the linux desktop" has always been a meme, and will continue to be. Every corporate backed distro has failed for end-users because its made with the corporate environment in mind first, which is fine.
     
     
     I have had nothing but frustration with Android based phones, for as long as they have existed. I liked my iphone 6S plus very much. It 100% totally, literally, just fucking worked.
     
     I can't even get my notifications to consistently show up on an android device, not even after downloading apps that purport to fix the issue. it's absolutely insane.
     
     
     Apple products may be overpriced, reductionist hipster garbage, with a locked down authoritarian ecosystem, but just like in other areas of life, it proves that authoritarianism wrapped up in a sleek, attractive package, just works and people like it for that reason.
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     @bajax @neko He understood that significantly more people want to use computers than want to learn to code.