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   栄屯 (eidon@raru.re)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 00:03:38 JST 栄屯

   I don't understand the concept of "stranger".

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     とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano） (toneji@minohdon.jp)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 00:03:37 JST とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano）

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     @Eidon May I ask a question?
     What is the difference in nuance between "stranger" and "foreigner"?

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     とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano） (toneji@minohdon.jp)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 00:37:52 JST とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano）

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     @Eidon Thank you for the clear explanation. I understand it well.
     "Stranger" is the Japanese equivalent of "yosomono." When I learned this word in school, I memorized it to mean "strange person," but I guess it's not quite the same.
     Do you know the French novelist Andre Zid's "異邦人" (Japanese title)? When I looked it up in an English-Japanese dictionary, I found the word "foreigner." Do you know what the French crown was in the first place?

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     栄屯 (eidon@raru.re)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 00:37:53 JST 栄屯

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     @toneji Sure!
     "Foreigner" puts the accent on the fact that the person comes from outside of your nation. "Stranger" basically is a person that does not belong to your own set of acquaintances; also, a person that does not know the local context (location of places and services, for instance). Thus, "one that is clearly not acquainted with the territory".
     She/he can be a person from your own nation, speaking your language, and still be one that does not know a well-known local fact ("the gas station is right around the corner, anybody here knows that").
     Interestingly enough, a foreigner may have joined a community and not be a stranger.

     On the other hand, we are all human beings, we share this major "context" -- therefore my statement. No human is an alien. As Terence stated,

     "Homo sum et nihil humani a me alienum puto”

     (I'm a human, and nothing of what is human I consider it as alien [stranger] to me")

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     とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano） (toneji@minohdon.jp)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 00:50:53 JST とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano）

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     • Wim ?

     @wim_v12e @Eidon Yes!

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     Wim ? (wim_v12e@octodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 00:50:55 JST Wim ?

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     @toneji Would this maybe be André Gide (アンドレ・ジッド)?

     @Eidon

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     Wim ? (wim_v12e@octodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 00:50:56 JST Wim ?

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     @toneji @Eidon
     I could not find any reference to that author, but there is a very famous French novel written by Albert Camus which is called "異邦人" in Japanese, "l'Étranger" in French. It's one of my favourite French novels.

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     とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano） (toneji@minohdon.jp)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 00:55:39 JST とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano）

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     @wim_v12e @Eidon I like this novel too. In the Japanese translation, I was very impressed with the opening sentence, "Mama died."
     I think the French word "l'Étranger" is probably the same root word as "stranger"; am I wrong?

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     とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano） (toneji@minohdon.jp)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 00:59:51 JST とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano）

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     • Wim ?

     @wim_v12e @Eidon Sorry! I was wrong.
     The author of "The Gentiles" is Albert Camus.
     I made a terrible mistake.

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     Wim ? (wim_v12e@octodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 00:59:53 JST Wim ?

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     @toneji There is no novel with title "異邦人" listed on the Japanese wiki page about him:
     https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B8%E3%83%83%E3%83%89#%E3%82%A8%E3%83%83%E3%82%BB%E3%82%A4%E3%83%BB%E8%A9%95%E8%AB%96%E7%AD%89
     Do you know in what year it was published?
     @Eidon

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     とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano） (toneji@minohdon.jp)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 01:11:40 JST とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano）

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     • Wim ?

     @wim_v12e @Eidon It sure would be great!
     We read the same novel in different languages but are moved by the same story. That is, of course, because Camus' book is excellent.
     I think it proves that we can communicate with each other.

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     Wim ? (wim_v12e@octodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 01:11:41 JST Wim ?

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     @toneji No problem, we all do. So we are talking about the same novel, great!
     @Eidon

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     とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano） (toneji@minohdon.jp)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 01:32:05 JST とねぢ ＠Minoh-don（piano.piano）

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     @Eidon @wim_v12e Apparently, I like French novels. So I like "The Narrow Gate" by André Zid, and I read "Vomit" by Jean-Paul Sartre (although I didn't understand what it was about).
     For me, French literature is stimulating.

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     栄屯 (eidon@raru.re)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 01:32:06 JST 栄屯

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     @toneji @wim_v12e
     Oh what a great conversation I missed! I love Camus, and I love its "Stranger". I don't know why but the last few days I've been thinking about the Stranger and Frank Zappa: two radically different ways of being a Stranger. I also read "The Plague" and "The Myth of Sisyphus", both wonderful readings that I'm sure you also know quite well. Among the best books I've ever read!