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   healyn (healyn@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 06:59:03 JST healyn

   People are making fun of the FB metaverse thing, with good reason. But in all seriousness, I still cannot wrap my head around how shockingly terrible this looks, and how useless it is. $10B!!!! that is so much money!

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 06:59:02 JST SuperDicq

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     @healyn@mastodon.social It all has to be rendered by a Oculus Quest which is basically a low end smartphone hardware-wise. Having used the device it is quite a terrible experience compared to using a headset with a desktop computer.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:19:15 JST SuperDicq

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     @shebang@freespeech.group @healyn@mastodon.social
     You can run VRchat on a Quest 2Yeah if you're content with not being able to join half of the worlds and see half of the avatars because they are too graphically intense for the quest's hardware.

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     Shebang! :blobpeektrans: (shebang@freespeech.group)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:19:16 JST Shebang! :blobpeektrans:

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     @SuperDicq @healyn This is definitely not the case. You can run VRchat on a Quest 2.
     
     I don't know what your experience was, but the XR2 can be quite impressive. Hell, take a look at Red Matter 2 gameplay.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:20:30 JST SuperDicq

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     @healyn@mastodon.social Probably, but I think Facebook's biggest concern right now is making it cheaper. They want to suck people into their ecosystem before other companies start making better headsets.

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     healyn (healyn@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:20:31 JST healyn

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     @SuperDicq you know if they're trying to make the hardware better?

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:23:17 JST SuperDicq

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     @shebang@freespeech.group @healyn@mastodon.social Also Red Matter 2 runs at 70 fps on the Quest 2.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:24:34 JST SuperDicq

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     @threia@cdrom.tokyo @shebang@freespeech.group @healyn@mastodon.social VRchat just blocks content from Quest users that they know isn't gonna work.

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     Threia of the hours lost (threia@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:24:35 JST Threia of the hours lost

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     do you get worse hardware so theres less you can do on the user end?
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:27:28 JST SuperDicq

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     @shebang@freespeech.group @healyn@mastodon.social I think gaming, and especially VR is unacceptable below 144hz.
     
     People aren't complaining about RM2 running at 72fps because I have to admit it is impressive for the hardware to pull it off. It's still not good compared to real headset tho.

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     Shebang! :blobpeektrans: (shebang@freespeech.group)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:27:29 JST Shebang! :blobpeektrans:

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     @SuperDicq @healyn VRchat has some limitations on Quest 2. That's not a secret, you aren't super smart for knowing about this. It's still pretty good.
     
     72 fps. No one has reported problems with RM2 on the Q2 so it doesn't seem to be a massive issue.
     
     But you know, whatever dude, I'm not going to argue with some pancaker about VR.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:29:40 JST SuperDicq

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     @slash@cdrom.tokyo @shebang@freespeech.group @healyn@mastodon.social Eeh. I'd say that's what manufacturers of cheap all in one headsets want you to believe.

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     @SuperDicq @shebang @healyn I was under the impression that 90hz was useful territory provided there was no tearing and it was rock solid.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:35:18 JST SuperDicq

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     @shebang@freespeech.group @slash@cdrom.tokyo @healyn@mastodon.social Wait am I wrong if I say Facebook is selling the Quest as a low end underpriced headset to trap people into their ecosystem?

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     Shebang! :blobpeektrans: (shebang@freespeech.group)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:35:19 JST Shebang! :blobpeektrans:

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     @SuperDicq @slash @healyn Stupid opinions, I might add.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:38:43 JST SuperDicq

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     @shebang@freespeech.group @slash@cdrom.tokyo @healyn@mastodon.social He doesn't know what he's talking about, but he's got opinions anyway.I'm professionally developing software for the Oculus Quest 2 actually. I'm doing backend work, but I do communicate often with the team that develops the part that is supposed to run on the device and I use the headset for testing purposes.

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     Shebang! :blobpeektrans: (shebang@freespeech.group)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:38:44 JST Shebang! :blobpeektrans:

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     @slash @healyn @SuperDicq It is, and in fact you can get away with lower usually, depending on the individual and what the game actually is. He doesn't know what he's talking about, but he's got opinions anyway.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:44:01 JST SuperDicq

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     @slash@cdrom.tokyo @shebang@freespeech.group @healyn@mastodon.social Yeah that's a good idea. I like free software support for VR software. btw OpenXR support in the Godot engine is getting really good.

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     @SuperDicq @shebang @healyn I mean even if that’s the case, I grew up playing doom in the single digit framerates on a terrible desktop so I’m pretty forgiving on that stuff, provided the actual input response feels natural enough. That said I’m going nowhere near anything Meta/FB makes for totally different reasons and probably sitting VR out entirely until there’s something that plays nice with linux and maybe even OpenXR/xrdesktop are further along.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:52:22 JST SuperDicq

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     @shebang@freespeech.group @slash@cdrom.tokyo @healyn@mastodon.social I'm not simping for the Index here. I think hardware wise the Quest 2 is a decent headset if you use it for PCVR. I think using it as a standalone is where it is very underpowered.
     
     Personally I would prefer having an Index over a Quest 2. Mostly because of less botnet software and higher FOV. Wireless is not an advantage to me, that only increases the chance of lag and disconnects. I'm against wireless devices of any sort mostly.
     
     Doesn't a base station system potentially allow for much better tracking? I agree the base stations are too expensive tho.

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     Shebang! :blobpeektrans: (shebang@freespeech.group)'s status on Saturday, 20-Aug-2022 08:52:23 JST Shebang! :blobpeektrans:

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     @SuperDicq @slash @healyn No, you are wrong on all the technical subjects. In fact, the Quest 2 isn't even "low end". It's inexpensive, but its not low end.
     
     Compared to say, and Index, it has higher resolution screens, is lighter, is vastly more ruggedly built, offers wireless PCVR, and has a simple setup that doesn't require expensive base stations to use. It can do up to 120hz.
     
     Essentially, it's obvious to anyone who knows anything about VR hardware that you know literally nothing about it.
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     @slash@cdrom.tokyo @shebang@freespeech.group @healyn@mastodon.social Yeah most VR controllers are kinda shit imo, I see them kinda as gloried wii-motes. As it stands currently I think if I would get a headset for personal I mostly use it to play racing simulators with a wheel and never use the controllers.

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     @SuperDicq @shebang @healyn I think if we could untangle controllers from their HMDs in terms of driver support and interchangeability there’d actually be a real opportunity for open hardware to pry its way into VR, and that has me really excited. It’s probably one of the only things about VR that I’m looking forward to.

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     @slash@cdrom.tokyo @shebang@freespeech.group @healyn@mastodon.social Also the Quest's controllers are the worst of all the headsets I've tried.