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   me (me@social.jlamothe.net)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 12:54:00 JST me

   • hypolite
   • silverwizard
   @hypolite @silverwizard DeltaChat amazing, but it's a slight PITA for the average person to get it working with GMail (because Google).
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 12:53:59 JST silverwizard

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     • silverwizard
     @me @hypolite Wait - what Google issues you seeing?
     My sister needs to use app passwords and can't figure that out, but she just follows the email thread
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 13:20:06 JST silverwizard

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     • silverwizard
     @me I thought you only needed one with 2FA, I dunno
     
     Both my parents are on GSuite and figured it out (though at least one of them has cloned Unix and had code complimented by Dennis Ritchie, so probably doesn't count as average My Parents user story).
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     me (me@social.jlamothe.net)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 13:20:07 JST me

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     • silverwizard
     @silverwizard Yeah. The app password was the issue. Also, you can't set one up without 2FA.
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 13:50:20 JST silverwizard

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     • silverwizard
     @me Huh, that's dumb and stupid
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     me (me@social.jlamothe.net)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 13:50:21 JST me

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     • silverwizard
     @silverwizard Nope. Google doesn't support POP3/IMAP without an app password. They consider them "insecure" protocols (i.e.: harmful to their walled garden)