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   masto certified hot wife 🧿 (publicchaffinch@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 00:57:34 JST masto certified hot wife 🧿

   my serious thoughts on moderation and stuff is this: I've done it a lot in the past, I've done the being very reasonable bit and trying hard to be fair bit and the responding graciously to (typically) cis men patronising or insulting me while believing they are respectful, or thinking they can debate their way out of a ban. And what I learned is, sometimes, you just need to take the piss. Often, it means they skip the debate part and go straight to insulting you, and at least that's more honest

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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 00:57:27 JST silverwizard

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     @PublicChaffinch @fishidwardrobe convenient.email/friendica
     My list of blocked servers is pretty short. On purpose.
     
     But there's a damn good reason my most common reason is "fuck 'em" - it's because usually *I'm* tired, and just don't wanna deal with someone's shit.
     
     And sure - maybe "Mods are asleep" - but fundamentally - my moderation practices are what brings me joy. And often ban hammering an instance is more fun than talking to people who sometimes turn out to be racists and transphobes.
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     Fish Id Wardrobe (fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 00:57:29 JST Fish Id Wardrobe

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     @PublicChaffinch this is true although I think there is some very limited, genuine risk of well-meaning moderators screaming "ahh! Nazis" and defederating just because the mods on that instance are a bit new, or it's 4am where they are, or something.

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     masto certified hot wife 🧿 (publicchaffinch@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 00:57:30 JST masto certified hot wife 🧿

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     Ultimately, one issue that some people have on here is that groups who have typically had less power in society and have had a lot of abuse online, have created their own spaces. And they can say no, get fucked, with no higher moderator to appeal to. And certain cis dudes who think they should have the right to not only say whatever they like, but force those very groups to listen to them, really, *really* don't like that.

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     masto certified hot wife 🧿 (publicchaffinch@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 00:57:31 JST masto certified hot wife 🧿

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     And if you're a good moderator/admin, you will usually be able to see past some jokes to their point.

     Joking about unpopular opinions was making a specific point about the idea that you should be able to discuss topics like, trans rights say, where you can voice an objectionable opinion, but if you are "civil", it's fine. This is a terrible idea, and those of us who have been around the internet long enough or on the receiving end of polite bile know this

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     masto certified hot wife 🧿 (publicchaffinch@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 00:57:32 JST masto certified hot wife 🧿

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     This also means their style may be different - they aren't having to answer to 30K members who they don't know. They know everyone on their server, who has usually been vetted or personally invited before they've joined.

     They are under no obligation to behave in a certain way, for instance, not make jokes about topics like this. Or not laugh at getting silly reports.

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     masto certified hot wife 🧿 (publicchaffinch@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 00:57:33 JST masto certified hot wife 🧿

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     Coming back to this, I think another problem is that some people are expecting Twitter style extensive rules moderation on every server, whereas on here some instances are literally for individuals or a small group of friends, so their approach is going to be different. Their priority is keeping their space safe, not opening it up to loads of people. They are under no obligation to participate in these big discussions about what is fair or not to moderate.

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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 02:03:59 JST silverwizard

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     • Fish Id Wardrobe
     @PublicChaffinch @fishidwardrobe To be clear here: These are server level blocks of servers. I am defederating
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     Fish Id Wardrobe (fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 02:04:00 JST Fish Id Wardrobe

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     @silverwizard @PublicChaffinch Well I think there is a whole mess of difference between the instances I personally block, and the ones my instance mods block. I don't think the former is a problem ever.