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serenebabe (serenebabe@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 12:04:39 JST serenebabe
- Eugen Rochko
Being on this massive instance that so many instances are #defederating from is bumming me out a bit. For a few reasons, I’m staying put (for now). I wonder if there are any solutions being explored by @Gargron and his team to establish more effective moderation processes? Is there any hope the other #instances won’t defederate from mastodon dot social?

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  Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 12:04:28 JST Eugen Rochko
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  @serenebabe @ku7 All of it is false.
  
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  serenebabe (serenebabe@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 12:04:29 JST serenebabe
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  @ku7 because of the racism, and I think, possibly anti-trans harmful behaviors? Basically, insufficient moderation, as far as I understand it.
  
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  Andrew (ku7@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 12:04:37 JST Andrew
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  @serenebabe @Gargron why are they defederating from mastodon.social?
  I think in some ways it’s bound to occur, some people really like bubbles, and if your in one of those bubbles and don’t want to be, you should move on. But being isolated from one of those bubbles should not be too much of a concern. The people in there either will move, or want to be there.
  There’s some pretty isolated bubbles out there!
  
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  serenebabe (serenebabe@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 12:05:23 JST serenebabe
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  @Gargron instances aren’t defederating from us?
  
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  Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 12:29:58 JST Eugen Rochko
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  @serenebabe Racism and transphobia are explicitly forbidden on our server and we have an adequately sized moderator team that processes all the reports that we receive.
  
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  serenebabe (serenebabe@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 12:44:53 JST serenebabe
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  @Gargron oh, I see. I guess it’s just that there are other instances who have a different definition of “adequate” and what constitutes sufficient processing. I saw a positive response to how you handled incorrectly banning someone, so I know sufficient and effective moderation happens. I’ve been reading that with the massive growth that just happened you might need more people? In any case, I’m just bummed that those instances are defederating, that’s all.
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Dec-2022 13:06:34 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  To be clear I have no intention of seeing Mastodon.social defederated or any other instance. My goal is to bring this to light in the hope otherwes will realize what is happened and **not** defederate from us or continue to spread the lies. Hopefully it willknock some sense into Eugen
  I do admit that bringing to light Eugen's negligance may very well have the effect of mastodon.social being defederated... thats more on Eugen than me however.
  Anything that will die as a result of the truth coming to light deserves to die as Carl Sagan once said.
  @Gargron @serenebabe @ceoln
  
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  realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 04-Dec-2022 13:06:36 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️
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  @ceoln @Gargron @serenebabe @freemo You're not wrong here. I mistook the likely result for the intention, my bad.
  
  I shouldn't speak for freemo.
  
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  ceoln (ceoln@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Dec-2022 13:06:37 JST ceoln
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  Still, it's not fair or accurate to say that someone led a charge to defederate a server, when all they actually did was criticize an admin of that server. They're different things.Seems potentially important. :)
  
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  realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 04-Dec-2022 13:06:38 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️
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  @ceoln @Gargron @serenebabe @freemo IDK saying somebody sided with racists usually gets one reaction on the #Fediverse, especially within the #Fediblock community...
  
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  ceoln (ceoln@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Dec-2022 13:06:39 JST ceoln
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  Criticising a person's actions != leading "a charge to defederate" their server, eh?
  
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  ceoln (ceoln@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Dec-2022 13:06:40 JST ceoln
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  @realcaseyrollins @Gargron @serenebabe that doesn't sound like @freemo ...
  
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  realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 04-Dec-2022 13:06:40 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️
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  @ceoln @Gargron @serenebabe @freemo Remember snow, the #Nazi you sided with in spreading misinformation?
  
  https://web.archive.org/web/20221123114426/https://jeffreyfreeman.me/eugen-rochko-ceo-of-mastodon-found-to-support-nazis-agenda/
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    Eugen Rochko, CEO of Mastodon, Found to Support Nazi's Agenda
    
    I know, clickbait title right? Sadly no. When we say Nazi here we dont just mean your garden variety racist, as bad as that is, but your swastik...
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  realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 04-Dec-2022 13:06:41 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️
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  I know @freemo led a charge to defederate against mastodon.social after Eugen supported a Nazi’s misinformation and spam campaign, but IDK how many people listened to him.
  
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  Bob Kerns (bobkerns@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Dec-2022 13:07:05 JST Bob Kerns
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  That’s part of why I spoke up! Often, “loud” is mistaken for public opinion, and “loud” is often far removed from what is right. That’s how silence becomes complicity.
  So here’s my voice trying to bring “loud” back toward what’s right.
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Dec-2022 13:07:06 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Sadly as Eugen said he doesnt care about the facts, he cares about "optics"... Whats right is secondary to popular opinion.
  @realcaseyrollins @Gargron @serenebabe @ceoln
  
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  Bob Kerns (bobkerns@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Dec-2022 13:07:07 JST Bob Kerns
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  @freemo @realcaseyrollins @Gargron @serenebabe @ceoln
  It’s unfortunate that qoto is no longer listed on joinmastadon. When I recently joined, I scrolled through that whole list, finding everything either too specific or lacking in moderation. LaTeX support was a bonus.
  I didn’t know anything about Mastodon, and didn’t know how to make the choice.
  But on reading your history w/ Snow, and your compromise of silencing but not blocking domains, I realize I made the right choice.
  While cishet myself, I’ve been an ally for 50 years. I want no part of bigotry, but also recognize the occasional need to monitor what bigots are up to.
  It’s unfortunate my fellow Twitter refugees are not being given the same option.
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