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   Bruce Mirken (brucemirken@mas.to)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jul-2026 09:39:16 JST Bruce Mirken

   New survey: Owners of #ElectricVehicles love their cars more than owners of gas cars. But at least gas is cheap -- oh, wait... https://insideevs.com/news/802719/ev-buyers-happy-jd-power-survey/

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jul-2026 09:39:15 JST Rich Felker

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     @BruceMirken Maybe once there are options that aren't part of a dystopian surveillance apparatus...

     Til then it's pre-2015 gas vehicles. 🤦

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jul-2026 10:26:12 JST Rich Felker

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     @BruceMirken Um, no. You're talking to someone who actually understands this shit.

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     Bruce Mirken (brucemirken@mas.to)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jul-2026 10:26:13 JST Bruce Mirken

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     @dalias if you have a smartphone, the surveillance apparatus already has you.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jul-2026 10:40:52 JST Rich Felker

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     • LisPi

     @lispi314 @BruceMirken I mean yeah you can do a conversion kit or hire a shop that does it, or DIY, but that's way outside of the mainstream being talked about here.

     I just find it sad that owners of Android-tablets-on-wheels "love their cars"...

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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jul-2026 10:40:53 JST LisPi

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     @dalias @BruceMirken There are conversion kits that may not include spyware, too.

     They tend to be quite expensive, though.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jul-2026 10:45:33 JST Rich Felker

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     • LisPi

     @BruceMirken @lispi314 Good for you. Sadly that doesn't work out so well for people who could find themselves unexpectedly and unwantedly pregnant, or in a number of other life situations different from yours.

     And it also doesn't address that your car is not only violating your privacy but the privacy of anyone who gets inside it or who steps within the view of any of its external cameras.

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     Bruce Mirken (brucemirken@mas.to)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jul-2026 10:45:34 JST Bruce Mirken

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     • LisPi

     @dalias @lispi314 I'm 70 years old and couldn't give less of a fuck what anyone knows about me.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jul-2026 10:52:37 JST Rich Felker

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     • LisPi

     @BruceMirken @lispi314 They could save your life just as well if they weren't operating while the vehicle is parked and weren't saving anything anywhere, only showing you live feeds.

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     Bruce Mirken (brucemirken@mas.to)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jul-2026 10:52:38 JST Bruce Mirken

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     • LisPi

     @dalias @lispi314 The external cameras have saved my life a couple times, so I find that useful for some reason. But I won't convince you and you won't convince me, so have a good day.