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   cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 26-Apr-2026 08:34:50 JST cjd
   Battery chemistry is getting to the point where a charge is as fast as filling up with a gas pump. China is making a play to replace oil entirely (because petrodollar)
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Sunday, 26-Apr-2026 08:34:47 JST djsumdog

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     I'm just going to continue driving my manual transmission vehicles that don't have permanent cellphone modems installed in them and not replace them with thermal runaway death traps.
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     Vespa Rally 200 (nach@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 26-Apr-2026 08:34:48 JST Vespa Rally 200

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     @cjd i was going to say, i dont think they'll be able to replace oil entirely, but if their electric infrastructure can hold it, they could probably get lots of people on EVs
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 26-Apr-2026 08:34:49 JST cjd

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     50% of oil demand is on-road applications. That can all come right off the top, batteries are good enough at this point.
     
     Probably half of "residential / commercial" will probably go away as heat pumps become cheaper than alternatives.
     
     Aviation and agriculture are very hard to replace, and petrochemicals there's just no point, so those are the most sticky ones.
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Sunday, 26-Apr-2026 08:44:22 JST djsumdog

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     A manual? diesel? Volvo S80?! ... that sounds incredibly obscure and rare.
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 26-Apr-2026 08:44:23 JST cjd

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     > permanent cellphone modems
     
     Yeah, I'm not buying one of these things with an onboard modem either. I've got a 2010 Volvo S80 with a 5cyl diesel (and a manual) and I don't drive enough miles to really see the benefit of changing that out.
     
     But if I ever need something else, it'll probably be something hackable like the 2016-2024 Leaf, and I'll just yank the modem out of it myself.
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Sunday, 26-Apr-2026 09:22:08 JST djsumdog

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     I remember seeing this yonks ago on lithium ion battery recycling. Kinda interesting:
     
     https://youtu.be/s2xrarUWVRQ
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     🌈Magical Thinking (magicalthinking@noauthority.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Apr-2026 09:22:09 JST 🌈Magical Thinking

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     @cjd @nach @djsumdog

     Not factored is the long term cost of chemical batteries. It's very like the CCP to release a product that will utterly destroy an ecosystem just to be first to market.

     How are these new batteries recycled, if they can be? What kind of waste is their manufacture producing?